New Ancillaries (Filling up the gaps a bit)
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Posted on: 2011-05-12 05:15 in Suggestions and Ideas
/signed as usual. Any time this comes up, I'm always for it. If an Archetype has access to both a primary and secondary of the same element/style, there should be an Ancillary power to go along with it. So blasters need a Mind Mastery or whatever...
And just to comment on your Frost Mastery, I say they add Hibernate to it anyway. I know it is a selfish reason, but I do not want to be required to take my Cold/Ice defender over to Villains JUST so I can get Hibernate...
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I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
Blaster Psyche Mastery eh? It's a bit trickier since there's no Psychic Armor...
How about this:
Dominate (ST hold)
Mind over Matter (Shield)
Mass Hypnosis (Sleep)
Indomitable Will (Status protection) (If controller can have it, why not blasters?)
Telekinesis.
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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Mind Over Body from the controller APP (don't defenders have it too, for that matter?).
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Originally Posted by Arilou
Blaster Psyche Mastery eh? It's a bit trickier since there's no Psychic Armor...
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That was the one I implied with Mind over Matter, yeah.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Mind Over Body from the controller APP (don't defenders have it too, for that matter?).
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"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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Isn't that what Manticore's trying for?
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Originally Posted by Arilou
Blaster Psyche Mastery eh?
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Manticore's a defender though.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Isn't that what Manticore's trying for?
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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I am so on-board for anything that gives more variety to PPPs or APPs.
Current Synergy Gaps in Hero EPP's (That currently are represented in other power pools):
Scrappers:
Electric Mastery
Blasters:
Psychic Mastery
Controllers:
Electric Mastery
Defender:
Ice Mastery
Tanker:
Electric Mastery
Dark Mastery
Ones I would like to see:
Scrappers:
Kinetic Mastery, a set that carries on the look already present in Kinetic Melee, with an AoE bolt (Like Focused Burst that delivers a Targetted AoE of Burst) a self buff of something neat (Maybe Speed/REcharge, a Quickness Lite?), a scrappery version of Siphon Power and Siphon Speed, and maybe a stunning Cone AoE?
Spines Mastery, with Spines version of Fling Thorns, Thornatrops, Thorn Barrage, and two other things.
Blaster:
Archery, Sonic, Radiation and Pistols Mastery.
My brain has turned to mush now, but these sets would also find place in the Villain power pool choices.
Controller and Scrapper/Tanker Electric Mastery should be relatively easy to figure out. Dark is a bit trickier (since it lacks a dedicated control set)
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om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
I think is about time to give us some more choices for APP at least.
I really wish there was a Plant themed ancillary set for my Plant/Storm. Neither the ice shield or earth armor really cut it visually ....
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When a new Cold Epic is made for Defenders and Corr's, I'd like one of those powers to be an Ice Sword!
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Personally, I'd just add customization to Weapon Mastery. Have the player choose Thrown Weapons, Bow or Rifle. One choice affects all powers. Caltrops, Focused Accuracy (or is it Targeting Drone?), and Physical Perfection (for the Stalker version) remain unchanged. Web Grenade gets replaced with the equivalent from Trick Arrow or Assault Rifle. Shuriken gets replaced with Snap Shot or Burst. Expolding Shuriken gets replaced with Explosive Arrow or M30. If that doesn't work within the realms of power customization, just give all theree powers from all three "sets", and when you select any one, lock out all the attacks from the other two. Since all three are lethal damage, leave the stats for the attacks the same, regardless of which animation is used (ie, Snap Shot would not be faster than Shuriken, Burst would not have -def, etc).|
Originally Posted by Arilou
What I'd also like would be an archery pool for scrappers (maybe tankers and brutes as well) might be a bit specific, but it would go with the other weapon sets (and wouldn't require you to make any new animations)
(snip) Archery mastery would be relatively simple: Just splice together a few archery powers and a few Trick Arrow ones: Flash Arrow Ice Arrow Aimed Shot Explosive Arrow Acid Arrow |
My thoughts on APPs/PPPs in general: To my knowledge, there are eight types of damage available to players: Smashing, Lethal, Fire, Cold, Energy, Negative, Psychic, and Toxic. Every AT should have at least one set that can deal each type of damage. If that damage type cannot be provided in at least one primary or secondary choice, it should be added for an Epic.
So all four melee ATs should get a Psy epic (possibly similar to the Psy attacks Aberrant Rectors get?), Tanks and Brutes should get Toxic, all melee except Tanks should get Ice Melee/Armor or an Ice epic, and so on for all ATs (with the possible exception of EATs).
@Roderick
I wonder if we can get a Baby Mastery Epic so that I can finally make my Ice/Ice/Baby...
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On topic: There are quite a few additional Epics I could think of for ATs that don't have them, but I'll only stick to elaborating on a few that I'm personally invested in. The rest I'll just put in a bullet list.
Blasters:
*Psi Mastery
*Radiation Mastery
*Archery Mastery
Scrappers/Stalkers:
*Electrical Mastery
*Rifle Mastery
*Bow Mastery
*Pistols Mastery
Masterminds:
*Dark Mastery
*Bow Mastery
*Pistols Mastery
*Rifle Mastery
*Pulse Rifle Mastery
To pick on a few more specifically...
Scrapper Pistol Mastery:
Single Shot
Snap Shot
Empty Clips
Suppressive Fire
Tracer Rounds: Short duration click buff which gives a large accuracy (or to-hit) bonus that only applies to Pistol Mastery powers. Standard 10 second duration to 90 second recharge. Possibly some small damage buff percentage.
Mastermind Rifle Mastery:
Beanbag
Heavy Burst
Buckshot
Body Armour
Cryo Freeze Ray
Stalker Archery Mastery:
Entangling Arrow
Ice Arrow
Aimed Shot
Fistful of Arrows
Poison Gas Arrow
That's all I have for now.
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The thing is, in this thread I'd like to restrict it to using powers that already exist, not requiring the devs to code new ones.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
Personally, I'd just add customization to Weapon Mastery. Have the player choose Thrown Weapons, Bow or Rifle. One choice affects all powers. Caltrops, Focused Accuracy (or is it Targeting Drone?), and Physical Perfection (for the Stalker version) remain unchanged. Web Grenade gets replaced with the equivalent from Trick Arrow or Assault Rifle. Shuriken gets replaced with Snap Shot or Burst. Expolding Shuriken gets replaced with Explosive Arrow or M30. If that doesn't work within the realms of power customization, just give all theree powers from all three "sets", and when you select any one, lock out all the attacks from the other two. Since all three are lethal damage, leave the stats for the attacks the same, regardless of which animation is used (ie, Snap Shot would not be faster than Shuriken, Burst would not have -def, etc).
My thoughts on APPs/PPPs in general: To my knowledge, there are eight types of damage available to players: Smashing, Lethal, Fire, Cold, Energy, Negative, Psychic, and Toxic. Every AT should have at least one set that can deal each type of damage. If that damage type cannot be provided in at least one primary or secondary choice, it should be added for an Epic. So all four melee ATs should get a Psy epic (possibly similar to the Psy attacks Aberrant Rectors get?), Tanks and Brutes should get Toxic, all melee except Tanks should get Ice Melee/Armor or an Ice epic, and so on for all ATs (with the possible exception of EATs). |
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
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... Well, given what Baby New Year looks like, every power in the set would cause fear.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I wonder if we can get a Baby Mastery Epic so that I can finally make my Ice/Ice/Baby...
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I'd also like to add that there be a 6th power added to epic/patron pools for having three other powers, so only available at level 49 if all your 41+ powers are from the pool.
Ranged: Blaster, Dominator
Melee: Tanker, Scrapper, Brute, Stalker
Support: Defender, Controller, Corruptor, Mastermind
Elec:
Ranged and Support - Lightning Rod
Melee - EMPulse
Fire:
Ranged - Healing Flames (Recharge upped to 90 seconds)
Melee - Inferno (Recharge upped to 1000 seconds)
Support - Blaze (only Controller and Mastermind have a fire mastery, atm)
Cold:
Ranged - Heat Loss
Melee - Bitter Ice Blast (Only Tanker has it atm, I think they'd appreciate the -tohit)
Support - Energy Absorption
Psi:
Ranged - Psychic Wail (Fortunata version, 720 second recharge)
Melee - N/A
Support - Drain Psyche
Leviathan:
Ranged - Elude
Melee - Survival Instincts (Auto, +20% damage, +20% recharge, +5% defense, +5% tohit, +perception)
Support - Stalk Prey (Target placate, -25% resistance, -25% defense, 10 second duration 30 second recharge)
Mace:
Ranged - Serum (Crab Spider's, Dull Pain clone)
Melee - Shatter Armor
Support - Omega Maneuver
Mu:
Ranged - Twisted Sands (Summons 2 Tornado-like pets, 30 second duration, 300 second recharge)
Melee - Thunderous Blast (1000 second recharge)
Support - Lightning Rod
Soul:
Ranged - Soul Transfer
Melee - Ethereal (Click self 20 second untouchable, fly, can still attack enemies - 120 second recharge)
Support - Dark Extraction (Warshade power clone, 360 second recharge)
etc.
I am the Blaster, I have filled the role of Tank, Controller and Defender
Sometimes all at once.
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Heart Mastery ('cause Heart Is An Awesome Power!) *Only the tropers will get that...
It's a support set made up of heal powers, not as strong as Empathy or Pain Domination, but helpful.
Healing Aura
Heal Other
Clear Mind
Reconstruction
Revive
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Scrapper Pistol Mastery:
Single Shot Snap Shot Empty Clips Suppressive Fire Tracer Rounds: Short duration click buff which gives a large accuracy (or to-hit) bonus that only applies to Pistol Mastery powers. Standard 10 second duration to 90 second recharge. Possibly some small damage buff percentage. |
Pistols
Dual Wield
Bullet Rain
Executioner's Shot
Hail of Bullets
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I trust you are joking? Setting aside the... "Problem" of including a full-scale Blaster nuke in a Scrapper Epic set, five ranged attacks is far removed from the framework of Epics that Scrappers get access to, which tend to be two ranged powers and three utility powers. I built my Pistols Epic around the Mace Mastery Patron pool, actually, which constitutes three attacks, a utility power and a control power.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
No Hail of Bullets makes this fail!
Pistols Dual Wield Bullet Rain Executioner's Shot Hail of Bullets |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I trust you are joking? Setting aside the... "Problem" of including a full-scale Blaster nuke in a Scrapper Epic set, five ranged attacks is far removed from the framework of Epics that Scrappers get access to, which tend to be two ranged powers and three utility powers. I built my Pistols Epic around the Mace Mastery Patron pool, actually, which constitutes three attacks, a utility power and a control power.
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First, Hail of Bullets doesn't have to have nuke level damage.
Second, why keep it the same as everything else? I'd rather see more variety in the sets. Why not have a Dual Pistol Epic be all about adding range damage!
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I've been thinking about the epic/Ancillary pools, and some of them seem... Decidedly lacking. For starters, there's no ice pool for defenders. (meaning that you can't do a cold/ice/Ice one)
What I'd also like would be an archery pool for scrappers (maybe tankers and brutes as well) might be a bit specific, but it would go with the other weapon sets (and wouldn't require you to make any new animations)
So, without further ado:
Frost Mastery:
Frostbite (Since you can already get two holds from Ice Blast I figured giving a different type of control power would be approporiate)
Flash Freeze (the other control power)
Frozen Armor (Probably without the defence debuff resistance since most other epics lack it)
Freezing Touch (Which is a hold, but is also melee and a DOT, so a bit different than just another standard ST hold)
Have trouble with the last power (which should be some kind of utility/self buff one) Hibernate already exists in Leviathan mastery. Something like Hoarfrost or Energy Absorbtion maybe? But that might be a bit too strong.
Archery mastery would be relatively simple: Just splice together a few archery powers and a few Trick Arrow ones:
Flash Arrow
Ice Arrow
Aimed Shot
Explosive Arrow
Acid Arrow
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."