Reactive + Rain Powers?


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
It should be closer to 50 damage, and all your other powers stack this too. Not just your damage toggle.
That's why my post was so very specific.


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Originally Posted by JayboH View Post
That's why my post was so very specific.
So having one or two powers out of your whole arsenal that only does about 50% more damage than a purple proc is a slap in the face. I understand.


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
So having one or two powers out of your whole arsenal that only does about 50% more damage than a purple proc is a slap in the face. I understand.
Isn't a maximum tic of "reactive" only like 60-65 damage where as a purple proc is 107? Or were you doing something with 75% proc rate vs 33%? Or did I miss something else.


 

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Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
Isn't a maximum tic of "reactive" only like 60-65 damage where as a purple proc is 107? Or were you doing something with 75% proc rate vs 33%? Or did I miss something else.
Reactive procs for about 13.38 damage, and it hits up to 5 times (it doesn't stop if one misses). That means you have 5 chances at 75% proc rate to do 13.38 damage, every single time you activate any power. That means:

13.38 * 5 * 0.75 = 50.175

Over time your Reactive is adding about 50 damage per attack. It's even pretty consistent, you will almost always add at least some damage to the attack. And generally speaking it's going to be at least 40.

Compare that to a purple proc, which may do 107 damage, but only at a 33% chance. That means the majority of the time the proc is doing nothing. And over time it's only doing 107 * 0.33 = 35.31.

Reactive adds about 50% more damage than adding a purple proc to every single one of your attacks would. With zero enhancement slot investment. So excuse me if I'm not sympathetic toward people threatening to delete characters who have to deal with their powers "only" being 50% more powerful than purples in every attack.


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
Reactive adds about 50% more damage than adding a purple proc to every single one of your attacks would. With zero enhancement slot investment. So excuse me if I'm not sympathetic toward people threatening to delete characters who have to deal with their powers "only" being 50% more powerful than purples in every attack.
It's the risk/reward/time payoff difference. Thank goodness I've never threatened anything.


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Originally Posted by JayboH View Post
It's the risk/reward/time payoff difference. Thank goodness I've never threatened anything.
The time it takes to unlock Reactive vs. the Time it takes to get a purple damage proc in every attack?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
Reactive procs for about 13.38 damage, and it hits up to 5 times (it doesn't stop if one misses). That means you have 5 chances at 75% proc rate to do 13.38 damage, every single time you activate any power. That means:

13.38 * 5 * 0.75 = 50.175

Over time your Reactive is adding about 50 damage per attack. It's even pretty consistent, you will almost always add at least some damage to the attack. And generally speaking it's going to be at least 40.

Compare that to a purple proc, which may do 107 damage, but only at a 33% chance. That means the majority of the time the proc is doing nothing. And over time it's only doing 107 * 0.33 = 35.31.

Reactive adds about 50% more damage than adding a purple proc to every single one of your attacks would. With zero enhancement slot investment. So excuse me if I'm not sympathetic toward people threatening to delete characters who have to deal with their powers "only" being 50% more powerful than purples in every attack.

When you break it down like this : Dear sweet baby Cthulhu what are the Powers team thinking at the moment?


There doesn't seem to be any concept of balance or any form of extended thought process going into a lot of the changes and additions to powers in the last few months.


 

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Originally Posted by Arilou View Post
The time it takes to unlock Reactive vs. the Time it takes to get a purple damage proc in every attack?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Um, I don't know if you noticed or not, but that's not actually possible. You see that giant bolded and capitalized 'unique' in the description for those? Yeah... and you must be kidding about purples taking longer to get than tier 4 Reactive Radial...


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Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
Interface powers in general were broken in the sense that for each "tic" of damage the debuff would apply. I've been hit with gloom and saw each tic of damage stack up an interface debuff.
Isnt gloom a DOT? I thought there was a chance to proc for every tohit check, and thats why it was insane in rains and aura's. There should just be one tohit check for gloom afaik.

It procing for every application of a dot would be extra broken.


 

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Originally Posted by JayboH View Post
and you must be kidding about purples taking longer to get than tier 4 Reactive Radial...
If you are relying on drops? I promise it takes less time to get the reactive componants you need to tier 4 it than it takes to have the 4 purple damage procs drop on you.

I have had 3 purples drop on me since they were introduced, and none of them were the damage procs. My reactive was teir 4 less than 2 weeks after it was released. Its nice to be able to choose exactly what gets dropped on you isnt it? (besides the random tables of course)

Of course, if you are saying you can just hit the market to grab your purps, well, you can get your VR's with 400m and a some easier to obtain components. Might take more time than buying the specific purps, but not by much... The 4 purp recipe's will cost much more than 400m btw.


 

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Originally Posted by JayboH View Post
Um, I don't know if you noticed or not, but that's not actually possible. You see that giant bolded and capitalized 'unique' in the description for those? Yeah... and you must be kidding about purples taking longer to get than tier 4 Reactive Radial...
Actually that depends on what attacks you have.


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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge View Post
Isnt gloom a DOT? I thought there was a chance to proc for every tohit check, and thats why it was insane in rains and aura's. There should just be one tohit check for gloom afaik.

It procing for every application of a dot would be extra broken.
It was something that happened in passing and I didn't really have/take the time to check out everything about it, but I was tagged with gloom from a nightwidow in RV pre patch and ended up with 4 or 5 icons on my buff bar from whatever the "Green" interface proc is.


 

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Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
It was something that happened in passing and I didn't really have/take the time to check out everything about it, but I was tagged with gloom from a nightwidow in RV pre patch and ended up with 4 or 5 icons on my buff bar from whatever the "Green" interface proc is.
I think thats a bug. Is that the interface you have? I once was fighting a scrapper who didnt have any interface and had a ton of reactive icon's on me.


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
Reactive adds about 50% more damage than adding a purple proc to every single one of your attacks would. With zero enhancement slot investment. So excuse me if I'm not sympathetic toward people threatening to delete characters who have to deal with their powers "only" being 50% more powerful than purples in every attack.
Eh, I was just asking in what sense you were talking about it. Solo its definitely better than a purple proc. In teams? Not so much because of stacking rules and AoE damage pretty much melting everything anyway.

My issue was with the rain/patch/toggle's only proc'ing every 10 seconds, not how it works in click powers, there I think it does exactly what it should.


 

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Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
Eh, I was just asking in what sense you were talking about it. Solo its definitely better than a purple proc. In teams? Not so much because of stacking rules and AoE damage pretty much melting everything anyway.

My issue was with the rain/patch/toggle's only proc'ing every 10 seconds, not how it works in click powers, there I think it does exactly what it should.
It stacks up to 5x and the duration is pretty short. It's actually a lot harder to stack the DoT than all the other procs. And if everything is dying anyway, that doesn't mean it's not still better than purple procs. It just means none of your procs matter.

And the 10 second rule applies to regular and purple procs too. It's what keeps them from being unbalanced.


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Originally Posted by Arilou View Post
Actually that depends on what attacks you have.
True, you could take a ranged attack, a melee attack, a pbaoe attack, and a targeted aoe attack only, with no other attacks, but I've never seen a character made that way.


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