Long range scanners (or even short range in the right "type") could've been knocked offline by the drones.
Greer and Scott were in the shuttlecraft when Young and the others started climbing up. They had to land and come down those 14 floors to get to the point where they could rope 'em in.
And Brody as the crotchety old man? Ya, I can see that.
900 exabytes...that's 900 billion gigabytes...and that's only a third of the data in the archives...wow...
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Long range scanners (or even short range in the right "type") could've been knocked offline by the drones.
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Scott or Greer - Stop where you are. We're tossing down a safety line. Tie yourselves off to it so no one falls.
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The rope they had might not of been long enough. Assuming a 10' per level floor height, they would've needed at max 160' from that 14th floor. That's a lot of rope to have on hand. Plus, trying to tie them off while they are still climbing? That would be difficult. The one thing I didn't see was an easy way of getting on/off the ladder once started. If there had been access points to each of the levels, not a problem. But didn't see that there. Flaw in the design or writer oversight.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Doesn't mean that that shouldn't have been the first thing Scott and Greer did as soon as they got down there.
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so 2400 exabytes... or 2.4 zettabytes
Not really all the impressive for a race that's at least millions of years old at the point of Destiny's creation... depending on what is in the database.
If we're just talking text and images... that's 2 billion times larger than the books in the library of congress' database
but it's likely not just text... And because of that... not as impressive. We moving towards producing more than 50 exabytes per year... that's only 18 years of data so meh >.>
I'm guessing they still aren't using the Destiny's systems that efficiently. I expect that the ships sensors did see the black hole but no one checked correctly for it or even thought to check the right settings.
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2700 exabytes, at least, for the archive of the descendents of the Destiny, i.e. Greer, Young, Eli, etc. They were uploading the sum total knowledge of what their descendents discovered/wrote/thought/etc. They had no (or limited to what was in the kinos) knowledge from the Destiny. And that was probably just books, movies, songs, research, etc and not Ugly Zagnoz fanfiction.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
so 2400 exabytes... or 2.4 zettabytes
Not really all the impressive for a race that's at least millions of years old at the point of Destiny's creation... depending on what is in the database. If we're just talking text and images... that's 2 billion times larger than the books in the library of congress' database but it's likely not just text... And because of that... not as impressive. We moving towards producing more than 50 exabytes per year... that's only 18 years of data so meh >.> |
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Originally Posted by Dark One
2700 exabytes, at least, for the archive of the descendents of the Destiny, i.e. Greer, Young, Eli, etc. They were uploading the sum total knowledge of what their descendents discovered/wrote/thought/etc. They had no (or limited to what was in the kinos) knowledge from the Destiny. And that was probably just books, movies, songs, research, etc and not Ugly Zagnoz fanfiction.
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Still not all that impressive considering 2000 years of history, no dark ages, and advanced knowledge and some of the most knowledgeable people from earth in multiple subjects...
Also, remember that that 2700 exabytes was compressed so it could be uploaded (in 37 hours!)
Depending on the the compression algorithms it could be at least 100 or more times that size.
All in all, I felt that the way this episode ended it would have made a GREAT series finale.
And Old Man Brody. "Always dancing! Messing up my lawn!"
But a lot of the knowledge they got didn't have the technology available to use it. It doesn't do you any good knowing about software development when you barely have 17th century tools cobbled together from what you had on you. Sure it's better than developing it from nothing.
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Makes one wonder how long it took the refugees to go from wood/rock tools to metal tools, to water wheel powered stuff to steam powered (steam punk!) to electric and computers to solar/wind/geo powered stuff to making big ships to get the frell off the planet.
Sure we know that they got a lot done in 2000 years, but how long was the highest tech on the plane the kinos? Their tech actually looked more advanced than modern day stuff, even somewhat more advanced than what we see in SG1 at the end of the series in places.
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
Makes one wonder how long it took the refugees to go from wood/rock tools to metal tools, to water wheel powered stuff to steam powered (steam punk!) to electric and computers to solar/wind/geo powered stuff to making big ships to get the frell off the planet.
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I'm not sure I agree with you on the 'faily modern' school. Escecially when they panned out. I'm thinking early to mid-1800s. It didn't look like they had electric power yet, let alone lightbulbs or paved rodes.
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
I'm not sure I agree with you on the 'faily modern' school. Escecially when they panned out. I'm thinking early to mid-1800s. It didn't look like they had electric power yet, let alone lightbulbs or paved rodes.
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Metals and materials that you don't find on the surface of a planet is what would take you a long time to develop because you wouldn't know where to look and wouldn't have the scanners to find them nor the man power to mine it or quarry it.
I'm not sure how mines and such are found so I can't even begin to guess how long it would take to find and mine that stuff but you have to figure that they aren't going to be doing much of it or find much of it unless they are highly lucky...
Well, my post here was originally asking Durraken if he had watched the episode this week but reading the more recent messages I see he hadn't
So I'll comment on something else. It's possible that they didn't see the black hole because Destiny only warns them about something that could be an immediate danger. And they were all so eager to explore the planet they probably didn't bother to extensively scan the system. The bit that annoyed me was something that annoys me in every show I ever see it in but it is a standard trope. Some area has survived for eons (or at least a significant amount of time) and is in pristine condition. Then within hours of the heroes showing up disaster strikes and the whole area will be destroyed in minutes so they have to rush to get out.
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Electricity is only useful if you have things that require it. They didn't come on to the planet with tvs and iPods needing to be recharged. They had more of a need to, you know, survive first. That means getting an agricultural base, along with housing and taming the surface, before worrying about keeping food cold when there are other preservative methods. As well as not having the necessary population to be able to devote personnel towards taking care of electricity delivery methods.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
Electricity is actually one of the easiest things to get if you know what you are looking for and how to do it.
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Metals and materials that you don't find on the surface of a planet is what would take you a long time to develop because you wouldn't know where to look and wouldn't have the scanners to find them nor the man power to mine it or quarry it. I'm not sure how mines and such are found so I can't even begin to guess how long it would take to find and mine that stuff but you have to figure that they aren't going to be doing much of it or find much of it unless they are highly lucky... |
They may be able to hammer raw iron or copper into crude tools, but for anything more than that, they'd need to find fuel sources that can burn hot enough for smelting, set up a forge with brickwork to smelt it, fashio crude stone instruments to shape it.
They are starting from utter scratch with barely more than the clothes on their backs. And I don't think their civilization reached anywhere near a billion people, much less the level of population we have to generate the amount of info we do.
And incidentally the stored information was a huge volume Durakken. Odds are that they were preserving only data that you would want preserved. All literature, movies, tv shows etc... The reason we are adding so much data yearly is that also includes Rebecca Black and all the other meaningless videos on youtube.
And you are making the assumption that they are using the same system of storing data that we are. 20 years ago data storage was horribly inefficient compared to today. And 20 years from now somebody will probably be laughing about us needing 20 gigabytes to store a low resolution movie (blu ray will be low resolution by then) and also laughing about how we considered 20 gigabytes to be a large amount of information. Their data storage system was compatible with ancient technology and so probably based on it meaning that there was a lot more information per gig than we have.
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Didn't last week's episode say there was two million people in that city? the only semi-accurate synopsis I can find online says that Novus had a population "in the millions"
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They are starting from utter scratch with barely more than the clothes on their backs. And I don't think their civilization reached anywhere near a billion people, much less the level of population we have to generate the amount of info we do.
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I don't think they were specific beyond "millions". Can't recall. Still, I would be utterly suprised if they managed to get to one billion people total on that planet. I think their planetary population is one par, probably, with that of the U.S. or less. After all, they managed to get all their people loaded into generational (or cryo) starships.|
Originally Posted by Samothrake
Didn't last week's episode say there was two million people in that city?
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And Novus was the name of the planet, iirc, not the name of the city in question. Though it could've been both, like New York, New York.
Apparently Gateworld has a transcript of the episode from last week. From there, the word 'million' only appears twice. Once when Camille Wray is talking to Young after the first visit to the new planet: But they claim that Novus - the planet they came from - has a population in the millions; and from the sounds of it, they were fairly advanced technologically."
Second time is at the end of the episode with shuttle flying over the abandoned, aparently then-unnamed city "JASON: But millions of people lived here. Where did they all go?" And that's the last line of Common Descent
They don't have a transcript for this evening's episode yet. I think we may have been given better numbers with the scenes in the vaults, but I'm not sure.
Still woulda been a great episode to close out the series. I'm wondering what they are going to do with the last two. Apparently the drone story line is going to come to a head, but other than that...dunno.
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Electric lighting is pretty much always useful for survival; its got major advantages over flame-based methods. Communications also ramps up in usefulness rapidly once the village gets larger than a few hundred people.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Electricity is only useful if you have things that require it. They didn't come on to the planet with tvs and iPods needing to be recharged. They had more of a need to, you know, survive first. That means getting an agricultural base, along with housing and taming the surface, before worrying about keeping food cold when there are other preservative methods.
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And what would they be using for that electric lighting? You'd need a glass blower to do the bulbs, miners finding tungsten or some other metal for the filament, building and maintaining the delivery method for the electricity, building and maintaining the generators, and a whole host of other issues. Lighting itself is useful when you aren't working sunup to sundown just trying to survive and can devote time to nighttime leisure pursuits. People survived for thousands and thousands of years without being able to flick on a lightswitch to chase the boogeyman away.|
Originally Posted by ThugOne
Electric lighting is pretty much always useful for survival; its got major advantages over flame-based methods. Communications also ramps up in usefulness rapidly once the village gets larger than a few hundred people.
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Communication would be a bigger issue if they were at the stage that they had multiple villages farther than a few hours pony/donkey/space-elephant ride away. In small towns, news travels quick. Even without telephones.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
And what would they be using for that electric lighting? You'd need a glass blower to do the bulbs, miners finding tungsten or some other metal for the filament, building and maintaining the delivery method for the electricity, building and maintaining the generators, and a whole host of other issues. Lighting itself is useful when you aren't working sunup to sundown just trying to survive and can devote time to nighttime leisure pursuits. People survived for thousands and thousands of years without being able to flick on a lightswitch to chase the boogeyman away.
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The nearest home improvement store is manned by...people...that really don't like out-of-towners. Especially noobs that can't even give 'em correct change (they really don't like breaking a space-buck).
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Hello . . . They had access to the Stargate, so all they had to do is dial up a planet with a home improvement store. Same goes for communication. They just gated to a Radio Shack silly.
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It is far easier to create something from a plan than to create it from scratch. The early colonists would not be able to create a modern fluorescent light bulb at the start. The first light bulbs didn't use tungsten and could have used numerous different filaments that are more available. Tungsten wasn't used until 1910 which is about a century before the first electric lamp was created. Apparently, Edison didn't discover the light bulb, but he did make it feasible. The early colonists would have used low tech principles to create "modern" equipment. Therefore, creating things like electric motors and light bulbs would be possible in a few years, but they wouldn't be as reliable as modern equipment.
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Okay I'm only going to ask two questions.
Destiny can fly across the entire universe for untold thousands of years and avoid flying into gravitational anomalies like star and planets but it can't detect a black hole passing thru the same solar system it's flying to/in?
If they had ropes why didn't they use the common sense god gave turnips and use it to tie it to each other and to a secure piece of equipment above by Scott and Greer so no one would fall to their deaths?