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Posted on: 2011-04-07 04:25 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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It's not a bug; I've had 4 purple drops across all my toons since the launch of the invention system and I never had any of the "good" rares drop the TF reward tables either. That said, two of the purple drops were during the same tip mission.|
Originally Posted by nytflyr
I have a RL friend (gasp) who has been playing this game since I gave him a copy that I got from GenCon waaaaaay back 7 years ago. He claims he has only gotten two purple drops in that entire time. I told him last night that I got another one and he threatened to rage-quit over it, partly because the CoH folks wont look into the possibility that there may be something wrong with his account (his words). I have been playing 9 months and have gotten 5 drops, and two in the last 2 days, another RL friend (even more gasps), who started at the same time as me and he has also gotten many drops.
I told him to keep sending bug reports... |
PRNG is exactly what it says on the tin; sometimes you're a lucky ******* who seems to get good drops all the time and sometimes you never seem to get any. Just remember that we as humans are very bad at objectively assessing probabilities and there's always going to be people "luckier" than you with the PRNG for you to focus your rage on whilst ignoring all the other people "unluckier" than you who have had even fewer good drops.
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I assume he's playing 50's? And fighting eligible foes? I've had 3 I think in 2 1/2 years. Random is random.
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yes playing 50s... now granted the purples I have been getting aren't quality ones, one sleep (sold for 12 mil), one confuse (I can use that one), 2 others of marginal use and one Ragnorock. Ive seen rare recipes go for more... oh well
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Originally Posted by Diggis
I assume he's playing 50's? And fighting eligible foes? I've had 3 I think in 2 1/2 years. Random is random.
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It is an issue of quantity...
I've had the occasional drop on various characters, but I have one that whenever I log in finds himself solo at +0/x8... he doesn't 'farm' but anything he runs that's the setting and he is my leader in purple drops easily, despite not even hitting 50 until considerably after the purples were introduced.
Assuming your friend plays similarly - more solo than team and at a high multiple player setting.... then the RNG hates him and I recommend a sacrifice on an altar of dice. 
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And playing solo? At a x8 setting? A lot. I mean, a really, really, really, really lot? |
Originally Posted by nytflyr
yes playing 50s...
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*any claims that the grammar in that last sentence is wrong will be denied.
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Most likely, it is psuedo-random number generator is random.
However, something to consider. We really don't know the method the RNG uses to generate and determine drops. I do recall the fun set of maps where a bit of the RNG function got determined by a dedicated userbase. That has since been fixed, yes.
But I am also left thinking specifically about the rng history at play with, say Pokemon, where you had situations in Gen 2, that made certain 'rare events' impossible to occur [specifically, the 1 to 7 female/male ratio pokemon being shiny].
We don't know the formula for the RNG [or drop determination for that matter], however, what we do know is that there was an incident already where the RNG failed and has since been reworked. It is fair to assume that any bits of the rng that referenced player controllable factors got reworked.
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I have no idea if he is playing at the x8 setting but he has played for 7 years and has multiple 50s that he is always running. |
Originally Posted by Rylas
And playing solo? At a x8 setting? A lot. I mean, a really, really, really, really lot?
*any claims that the grammar in that last sentence is wrong will be denied. |
Every time I have gotten one I was on a team, the last time was with a level 10 character.
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one of the main reasons I even ask is that I have some other friends (even more gasps) who were in early on Ashron's Call. |
Originally Posted by reiella
Most likely, it is psuedo-random number generator is random.
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There was a bug where early subscribers to the game seemed to be the target of all mob aggro, where as the mob would go out of its way to attack his character, completely ignoring everything in its path, the devs said it WAI... until one happened to team with said character... then they looked at the algorithm the RNG was using and found out why he was the target (had something to do with his account's ID number or something like that).
I've gotten one purple drop. It was very soon after Inventions came out, and nothing since. My boyfriend very rarely has his account active, and yet he's gotten somewhere between ten and fifteen purple drops. It's frustrating, but random is random.
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Is your friend QP?
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Saying he's been playing for 7 years is rather silly, since purples haven't existed for close to that long! I get the point that you're trying to say he's not knew, but... PRNG will be random, as your very title suggests. I've been playing since long before Purples and have only gotten either 3 or 4 (all crap ones). And, likely, the only reason I've gotten that many is I've spent a lot of time farming (mostly with friends in the past... running different maps padded up with only 3 people actually fighting).|
Originally Posted by nytflyr
I have no idea if he is playing at the x8 setting but he has played for 7 years and has multiple 50s that he is always running.
Every time I have gotten one I was on a team, the last time was with a level 10 character. |
If he's been mostly on teams on his 50s, and doesn't play his 50s a huge amount or exemplars a lot... that could quite reasonably explain why he's not getting them... along with random being random.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Please pardon my gross stupidity, as I only started played 9 months ago....
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Saying he's been playing for 7 years is rather silly, since purples haven't existed for close to that long!
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Calm down, it wasn't intended as an insult - it's just that obviously comparing playtime before inventions were introduced to the game makes drop rates seem worse than they are as for the first ~4 years you *couldn't* have got any drops no matter how lucky you were.
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Originally Posted by nytflyr
Please pardon my gross stupidity, as I only started played 9 months ago....
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You probably could have apologized a little better, since it was you who jumped down the OPs throat. It wasn't obvious, as you saw from the response where she said she hasn't been playing long enough to know things like how long Purple recipes have been in the game.
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Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
Calm down, it wasn't intended as an insult - it's just that obviously comparing playtime before inventions were introduced to the game makes drop rates seem worse than they are as for the first ~4 years you *couldn't* have got any drops no matter how lucky you were.
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He wasn't the one who "jumped down the OP's throat". Kitsune was. |
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
You probably could have apologized a little better, since it was you who jumped down the OPs throat. It wasn't obvious, as you saw from the response where she said she hasn't been playing long enough to know things like how long Purple recipes have been in the game.
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We'll see....
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I think you screwed up and confused The_Spad_EU and I |
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
You probably could have apologized a little better, since it was you who jumped down the OPs throat. It wasn't obvious, as you saw from the response where she said she hasn't been playing long enough to know things like how long Purple recipes have been in the game.
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I was the one that originally brought up that fact. I believe you owe The_Spad_EU an apology (at least if you don't want to be a hypocrite ).As for what I said, I don't believe I've any reason to apologize. I said saying X is silly, then said why, and then went on to say "I get the point that you're trying to say he's not knew" (woo! misspelled 'new'
). If you have thin skin and tend to put your emotions into what other people write on the internet (since it's quite hard to convey emotion via text... hence why I so frequently use emoticons... less often now than in the past, but still).Quite frankly, when you're dealing with low probability occurrences, these types of things are to be expected.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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There was in fact a bug that for years caused purples to not drop when they should have. It was an uninitialized variable that caused mobs to appear to con gray with regards to rewards, resulting in no drops. This was fixed a year or more ago. Since then I have seen far more purples drop.|
Originally Posted by nytflyr
I have a RL friend (gasp) who has been playing this game since I gave him a copy that I got from GenCon waaaaaay back 7 years ago. He claims he has only gotten two purple drops in that entire time. I told him last night that I got another one and he threatened to rage-quit over it, partly because the CoH folks wont look into the possibility that there may be something wrong with his account (his words). I have been playing 9 months and have gotten 5 drops, and two in the last 2 days, another RL friend (even more gasps), who started at the same time as me and he has also gotten many drops.
I told him to keep sending bug reports... |
The real question is how much is your friend playing, at what level, and how many mobs per minute he's defeating.
Estimates of the purple drop rate range from 1 in 2000 to 1 in 5000 defeated level 50+ enemies. AVs, Bosses and LTs have higher drop chances than minions. There is speculation that Elite Bosses have a higher chance than bosses, but I don't know if that's true.
For years I got almost no purples: one every few months. I mostly played non-50s: when a character got to 50 I'd switch to another and level up. When they fixed the above bug and added the ability to set team size, I started running solo at x4 to x8. I started getting lots of purples, and have probably gotten 40 by now. I tracked drop statistics, and saw a rate of about 1 in 3000 mobs running at x8 with bosses turned on.
Lately I haven't been soloing much, but have been running lots of level 50 TFs and I've got my last few purples on ITFs. Note that this involves defeating a LOT of bosses and EBs in a short amount of time at level 50.
If you want purples, you have to do things that cause purples to drop. Run ITFs that steamroll the mobs, or run solo at x8 with a character that can defeat them quickly (a Brute with good defenses works well, and is more general purpose than a Fire/Kin that's limited to a small set of mobs they can quickly defeat).
yeah, random is just that.
Had two drop (one each on two different characters) in the last month. Hadn't seen one for months before that. If I've had ten total actual drops since they came out, I'd be surprised.
Ah, yes, The RNG... My one true nemesis...
Sometimes I'll toss an AoE at the Hellions mugging people in the parking lot out side of WW on the way to check my bids on one of my 50. Sometimes I'll miss one, streak breaker will force the AoE to hit the second, and then it'll miss the 3rd.
I think it's just a streak of bad luck.
I know Purples are dropping, I even received one last night, even if it was just another Fortunata Hypnosis. Most people I team with will get giddy and announce when they receive one, and more often than not someone on the team will get one by the end of Imperitus' or Lady Grey's task forces.
I have a RL friend (gasp) who has been playing this game since I gave him a copy that I got from GenCon waaaaaay back 7 years ago. He claims he has only gotten two purple drops in that entire time. I told him last night that I got another one and he threatened to rage-quit over it, partly because the CoH folks wont look into the possibility that there may be something wrong with his account (his words). I have been playing 9 months and have gotten 5 drops, and two in the last 2 days, another RL friend (even more gasps), who started at the same time as me and he has also gotten many drops.
I told him to keep sending bug reports...