Remove Artillery from Lambda final stage

I firmly think that Lambda was made for Stalkers. The stealth run through the warehouse/lab, do a load of single-target damage to items that get the temp powers, and get out seems to describe "Stalkers wanted".

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Didn't they say something specifically to that effect during - I think it was the Meet 'n Greet?

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The 9CUs increase in damage and accuracy the longer they're around; at spawn they're normal bosses, by the time they've hung around a few minutes they're almost auto-hit and doing enough damage that 90% resistance barely keeps you alive for 2 seconds.

Except that is patantly not true.
ONLY the LTs are mez immune in the Prisoner stage. All the minions mez just fine, as I found by exploding poison traps in their faces, KB, caltrops, web nades, yada yada.

And the Boss mobs hold just fine too. It's ONLY Siege and Nightstar that can't be held, and that's true of nearly every other AV in game (nearly).

I'm also not talking about Marauder. I barely even get near Marauder. MY gripe is the auto-hit artillery that starts landing on you when you get 'too far' from him during the final stage. 'Too far' being a bloody necessity for MMs who's pets just got obliterated for the umpteenth time by the AoE spamming horde of Heavy Commanders and Warwalkers.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I take it you've never taken an MM on a Lambda run then, to experience just how frustrating it is?

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Yes. Traps. Which requires being fairly close to direct combat. Which, without pets? On an MM? Good luck with that, bucko!

I'll give some examples because people clearly aren't getting what I mean by 'Getting shot for no good reason while trying to re-summon.'

Everytime a FF Fender puts a shield up, he gets auto-hit.
Everytime an Empath Fender heals someone, they get auto-hit.
Everytime a Blaster uses Build Up/Aim, they get get auto-hit.

Imagine how annoying that would be. That's pretty much how it feels being an MM trying to re-summon safely in Lambda. I.E. you aren't allowed to, for no good reason.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I play an mm and have done the Lamda. Dying is often... but resummoning is easy. Just dump the new pets directly next to marauder. Pets are meat shields.. expendable.. in your case scrap metal. I fight often with non upgraded pets because of speed too.

I think that is less easy for a slow summoning and ranged based set as robots though

What about a triage first.. resummon next.. attack. And make sure you survive?

Again robot problem... upgrade spells take longer compaired to mid action upgrade with zombies

I've done a lot of Lambdas with my Bots/Traps, and I haven't had any frustration with the final fight. Yes, I do end up having to do a lot of resummoning. But I haven't seen the artillery barrage every hit me for anything more than negligible damage. I also stay pretty close to Marauder except when he activates Nova Fist. Twice I've been the only significant source of -regen in the league, and that required I stay close to M. If I die in that section of the trial, it's usually due to Marauder's reinforcements, and not the AV or any of his exotic attacks.


If anything's frustrating in Lambda, it's the sabotage phase. I am nearly constantly out of bodyguard range while rushing through the corridors for the next crate or chamber, FFG does not keep up, so I'm vulnerable to being mezzed by grumpy seers, and a loud clattering army of mechanical terrors can create a ton of aggro if I'm not careful.

I'm okay with this. I think bots/traps shines in the BAF, particularly. We have a lot of tools at our disposal to deal with the escaped prisoners, and having a small army means that sequestration is less likely to be enforced on us (I've never gotten more than 1 warning). I think that the variety of exotic abilities and tactics means that at some point everyone will be at a disadvantage.

I play a bot/traps, I won the first Lambda on liberty, and i did it with 8 people. the first time i noticed the Artillery was when i say the awesome looking animation hit absolutely nothing because everyone was moving around so much. I really don't think it does very much damage, as I had the icon on me as i exited the room with the security team in it, and i had no pets out, and my HP bar didnt even move.

We have Lambda on farm on liberty right now, we can complete it in about 20-ish minutes with a 100% success rate. I'm not seeing the issue, especially when i'm piloting a bot/traps MM every time.

While I'm tending to agree with Lothic, I have to ask, what is your Secondary?

Are the pets getting buffed by you with resist shields? Maybe grab the Destiny: Barrier, to give your pets added +RES/+DEF?

That said, want to talk about a penalized AT, mobs that ignore hide, and a primary that can't kill single hard targets on their own, when the primary specializes in that!

Don't forget the low HP against mobs that cut through defense easily.

Go GO Rebirth Destiny t3 with +max HP.. pets being one shotted is a thing of the past

Unless the game gives you sugar and water that lemonade will suck.

But back on topic...
I play a merc/dark MM as my Badger. I never have a problem with the Artillery. I may have died quite a bit, but it was mainly because of all the bosses and thier mezzes.

I have not taken my Bots/Traps on any of the trials yet. But I know the BAF is more MM friendly. Especially traps at the spawn points. Commandos and LT, can be hurt by the Acid Mortars and Trip Mines, Clatrops and Posion to slow the minions.

So I have to disagree with the Artillery removal.

Yeah except that +max hp isn't pushing me beyond the 1606 AT cap.

True, but a 1k AoE heal every 2 minutes may help that too.

I've landed immobs, holds, and confuses on every other AV in the game. I've even mezzed the Arachnos Flier, by myself as a controller.

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2 minutes is a very long time when there are 20+ enemies shooting off AoE's.

hmmm...

now that I think about this more MM's aren't alone on their boat.