Bronze vs silver rolls

I hear some swear by bronze rolls and others stick to silver. So I'm thinking of doing an experiment. I'll cap 2 toons to 9999 tickets and roll 1 toon with bronze and the other with silver. Then I'll craft the useful recipes and sell them.
So I'd like to post a question to everyone. Which level range should I roll in? By default, I'm thinking of rolling lvl 30 bronze and lvl 30 silver.
Thoughts, comments, suggestions, flames? (well, maybe not flames...)

Thanks!

for silver rolls i usually do the same as my merit rolls which is lvl 35-39

for bronze rolls i usually stick to the lower catgories (somewhere in the 20-35 range)

i do bronze 15-19 myself.

Anecdotal evidence: 5k bronze + 5k silver + 50mil crafting and listing costs has so far returned 200mil, with several items still waiting to sell.

Science!!!

I'm looking forward to finding out your answers.

Silver 30 Rolls
1 roll = 525 Tix
9999 Tix = 19 rolls

1 __25,000,000__Aegis: Rech/Res (Recipe).
2 ______10,000__Dark Watcher's Despair: To Hit Debuff/End Reduction (Recipe).
3 __10,000,000__Blessing of the Zephyr: Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range (Recipe).
4 __20,000,000__Cloud Senses: Acc/To Hit Debuff (Recipe).
5 __15,000,000__Blessing of the Zephyr: Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/End (Recipe).
6 __20,000,000__Stupefy: End/Stun (Recipe).
7 __15,000,000__Gift of the Ancients: Def/End/Rech (Recipe).
8 __9,000,000 __Lockdown: Acc/Rech (Recipe).
9 __7,000,000 __Decimation: Chance for buildup (Recipe).
10__55,000,000__Luck of the Gambler: Def/End (Recipe).
11__20,000,000__Obliteration: Acc/Rech (Recipe).
12__7,000,000 __Decimation: Chance for buildup (Recipe).
13______10,000__Sovereign Right: Acc/Dam (Recipe).
14__15,000,000__Call to Arms: Acc/Dam/Rech (Recipe).
15__20,000,000__Blessing of the Zephyr: Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range (Recipe).
16__10,000,000__Impervium Armor: Rech/Res (Recipe).
17__10,000,000__Performance Shifter: Endurance Modification/Accuracy (Recipe).
18__40,000,000__Aegis: Resistance (Recipe).
19__10,000,000__Entropic Chaos: Chance to heal (Recipe).

Infamy: 331,772,126
-seed inf: 231,772,126 (Startup inf of 100 Mil)
Inf/Silver roll: 12,198,533

I will post the bronze 30 rolls after all the IOs have been sold.

If only to help break the monotony of farming, I'll roll silver.

But that's a ridiculous spread you've rolled there, very nice. I keep rolling Pacing of the Turtle quite often. I want that set perma-banned.

Sadly I think half of those are vendor trash on the recipe side of things.

Aegis Res/Rech is 1-2 Mil
BoTZ are >200 K
Clouded Senses Acc/To hit and GoTA Trip is vendor trash. (60 for sale, zero bids, last five under 100k)
Stupefy is vendor trash, no bids 10k per recipe
Lockdown Acc/Rech has a few bids, but mostly vendor trash, 10,000 - 200k on most of the sales
Decimation and Sovereign Right have 100+ for sale, no bids. Definitely vendor trash.
Call to Arms trip is 1-2 mil which is at least worth listing
Impervium Armor Res/Rech has 30+ for sale with no bids in the 200k range.
Entropic Chaos is the same deal only in the 10k range.

The Aegis Res, LoTG Def/End, Oblit Acc/Rech are your big sells. You could scrounge up a few mill from Call to Arms, Aegis Res/Rech, and the Performance shifter. But that is about it.

The results for how good silver is seems *really* skewed by those numbers, considering most of the stuff you can buy for next to nothing and sell for quite a profit.

I find doing a mix pays off nicely. I usually do 35-39 bronze and silver rolls if I am working on setting out a toon. Bronze sell better and are usually cheaper to craft which results in a much better return on time if you are farming for cash. Since I stockpile about 70% of my 33's (I help out friends and SG mates) I find silvers are nice to have and keep, since they aren't as available, but the bronze in much more profitable.

Some bronze still haven't sold, but since the sales are fairly small, I thought I'd post the data. Except for those under 10k, sale prices are for crafted IOs.

1 ___12,000,000____ Reactive Armor: Rech/Res
2 ___5,500,000 ____ Harmonized Healing: End/Heal
3 ___4,000,000 ____ Crushing Impact: Dam/End/Rech
4 ___5,000,000 ____ Smashing Haymaker: Dam/End/Rech
5 ___5,000 ____Dampened Spirits : To Hit DeBuff
6 ___35,000,000____ Basilisk's Gaze: Acc/Rech
7 ___5,000 ____Rope-a-dope: Stun/Range
8 __________________Brilliant Leadership: Acc/End
9 ___5,000 ____Perfect Zinger: Taunt
10 ___4,000,000 ____ Maelstrom's Fury: Acc/Dam
11 ___5,000 ____Quickfoot: Endurance
12 ___3,000,000 ____ Reactive Armor: End/Rech
13 ___1,500,000 ____ Detonation: Dam/Acc/End
14 ___5,000,000 ____ Thunderstrike: Dam/End
15 ___5,000 ____Air Burst: Acc/Dam
16 ___15,000,000____ Doctored Wounds: Heal/Rech
17 ___20,000,000____ Pounding Slugfest: Acc/Dam
18 ___5,000 ____Tempered Readiness: Dam/Slow
19 ___8,000,000 ____ Doctored Wounds: Heal
20 ___2,500,000 ____ Efficacy Adaptor : Rech/Acc
21 ___3,000,000 ____ Crushing Impact: Dam/End
22 ___1,000,000 ____ Maelstrom's Fury: Dam/End/Rech
23 ___2,500,000 ____ Multi-strike: Dam/End/Rech
24 ___5,000 ____Tempered Readiness: Dam/Slow
25 ___17,000,000____ Decimation: Dam/End
26 ___3,000,000 ____ Triage: End/Heal/Rech
27 ___5,000 ____Force Feedback : Knockback/Acc
28 ___10,000,000____ Gift of the Ancients: Def/Rech
29 ___5,000 ____Undermined Defenses : Defense Debuff/Rech
30 ___15,000,000____ Gift of the Ancients: Def/End
31 ___5,000,000 ____ Titanium Coating: Resistance
32 ___2,100,000 ____ Focused Smite: Acc/Dam/Rech
33 ___9,000,000 ____ Decimation: Chance for buildup
34 ___4,455,667 ____ Ruin: Dam/Rech
35 ___32,000,000____ Reactive Armor: Resistance
36 ___5,000 ____Cleaving Blow: Acc/Rech
37 ___2,000,000 ____ Ruin: Dam/End
38 ___11,111,111____ Smashing Haymaker: Dam/End
39 ___5,000,000 ____ Crushing Impact: Acc/Dam/End
40 ___8,000,000 ____ Scirocco's Dervish: Acc/Dam
41 ___5,000,000 ____ Doctored Wounds: Recharge
42 ___10,000,000____ Steadfast Protection: Knockback Protection
43 ___5,000,000 ____ Titanium Coating: Endurance
44 ___10,000,000____ Blessing of the Zephyr: Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
45 ___2,000,000 ____ Thunderstrike: Dam/End/Rech
46 ___2,500,000 ____ Multi-strike: Dam/End/Rech
47 ___5,000,000 ____ Titanium Coating: Resistance
48 ___5,000 ____Jaunt: Range/Endurance
49 ___5,000,000 ____ Maelstrom's Fury: Dam/Rech
50 ___1,000,000 ____ Focused Smite: Dam/End
51 ___5,000,000 ____ Crushing Impact: Acc/Dam
52 ___5,000 ____Paralytic: Acc/Rech
53 ___3,000,000 ____ Thunderstrike: Acc/Dam
54 ___10,000 ____Tempered Readiness: Acc/End
55 ___10,000 ____Perplex: Acc/End
56 ___2,000,001 ____ Multi-strike: Dam/End/Rech
57 ___5,000 ____Cacophony: Acc/Rech
58 ___5,000,000 ____ Time & Space Manipulation: Endurance
59 ___3,000,000 ____ Serendipity: Def/Rech
60 __________________Serendipity: End/Rech
61 ___5,000 ____Detonation: Dam/Range
62 ___3,111,111 ____Thunderstrike: Acc/Dam/End
63 ___5,000,000 ____Touch of Lady Grey: Chance for Negative Energy Dam
64 ___10,000 ____Kinetic Crash : Recharge/Endurance
65 __________________Thunderstrike: Acc/Dam/End
66 ___4,000,000 ____Maelstrom's Fury: Acc/Dam
67 ___5,000,000 ____Ruin: Dam/End
68 ___5,000,000 ____Adjusted Targeting : To Hit Buff/Rech
69 ___2,222,222 ____Triage: Heal/Rech
70 ___5,000,000 ____Ruin: Acc/Dam/Rech
71 ___4,000,000 ____Impervious Skin: End/Res
72 ___2,000,000 ____Multi-strike: Dam/End/Rech
73 ___ ____Ruin: Dam/Rech
74 ___5,000 ____Paralytic: End/Hold
75 ___3,000,000 ____Thunderstrike: Dam/Rech
76 ___8,000,000 ____Devastation: Acc/Dam
77 ___4,000,000 ____Adjusted Targeting : To Hit Buff/End Reduction
78 ___3,500,000 ____Focused Smite: Acc/Dam/Rech
79 ___2,000,009 ____Kismet: Def/End
80 ___2,000,000 ____Focused Smite: Acc/Dam
81 ___5,000,000 ____Ruin: Acc/Dam/Rech
82 ___5,000 ____Air Burst: Dam/Rech
83 ___8,020,011 ____Miracle: Heal/Rech
84 ___10,000 ____Blood Mandate: Dam/End
85 ___5,000 ____Paralytic: End/Hold
86 ___3,000,000 ____Crushing Impact: Dam/End/Rech
87 ___5,000 ____Volley Fire: Dam/Rech
88 __________________Harmonized Healing: Endurance
89 ___5,000 ____Tempered Readiness: Acc/Slow
90 ___2,000,000 ____Titanium Coating: Endurance
91 ___5,000 ____Perplex: Acc/End
92 ___5,000 ____Perplex: Acc/End
93 ___2,000,000 ____Ruin: Dam/End
94 ___5,000 ____Air Burst: Dam/Range
95 ___4,500,000 ____Smashing Haymaker: Dam/Rech
96 ___10,000,000____ Eradication: Acc/Rech
97 __________________Multi-strike: Dam/End/Rech
98 ___5,000 ____Calibrated Accuracy: Acc/End
99 ___5,000 ____Air Burst: Dam/Range
100 ___5,000 ____Cleaving Blow: Dam/End
101 ___5,000 ____Essence of Curare: End/Hold
102 ___5,000 ____Rope-a-dope: Acc/Rech
103 ___4,000,000 ____Tempered Readiness: End/Rech/Slow
104 ___5,000 ____Essence of Curare: Acc/Hold
105 ___10,000,000____Pacing of the Turtle: Dam/Slow
106 ___5,000 ____Detonation: Dam/End/Range
107 ___9,000,000 ____Focused Smite: Acc/Dam/Rech
108 ___3,000,000 ____Tempered Readiness: End/Rech/Slow
109 _________________Serendipity: End/Rech
110 ___3,000,000 ____Smashing Haymaker: Dam/Rech
111 ___5,000 ____Rope-a-dope: Stun/Range
112 ___2,000,000 ____Multi-strike: Acc/End
113 ___5,000 ____Volley Fire: Dam/Rech
114 ___6,000,000 ____Mako's Bite: Acc/Dam
115 ___5,000 ____Stagger: Acc/Stun/Rech
116 __________________Titanium Coating: Endurance
117 ___30,000,000____Luck of the Gambler: Defense
118 ___5,000 ____Undermined Defenses: Defense Debuff/Endurance Reduction
119 ___5,000,000 ____Red Fortune: Defense
120 ___5,000,000 ____Red Fortune: Defense
121 ___5,000 ____Air Burst: Dam/Range
122 ___4,000,000 ____Crushing Impact: Dam/End
123 ___5,000 ____Undermined Defenses : Defense Debuff
124 ___5,000,000 ____Multi-strike: Dam/Acc/End
125 ___5,000,000 ____Adjusted Targeting : Rech/End Reduction
126 ___10,000 ____Essence of Curare: Acc/Hold
127 ___10,000 ____Tempered Readiness: Acc/Dam/Slow
128 ___5,000 ____Cacophony: Acc/Rech
129 ___5,000 ____Volley Fire: Dam/Rech
130 ___5,000 ____Calibrated Accuracy: Acc/Rech
131 ___5,000 ____Detonation: Dam/End/Range
132 ___1,250,000 ____Maelstrom's Fury: Dam/Rech
133 ___5,000 ____Volley Fire: Dam/Rech
134 ___5,000 ____Calibrated Accuracy: Acc/Dam/Rech
135 ___5,000,000 ____Red Fortune: Defense
136 _________Triage: End/Rech
137 ___10,000 ____Cleaving Blow: Acc/Dam
138 ___15,000,000____Decimation: Dam/End
139 ___5,000 ____Horror: Acc/Rech
140 ___5,000 ____Perfect Zinger: Taunt
141 ___4,000,000 ____Red Fortune: Def/Rech
142 ___5,000,000 ____Multi-strike: Dam/Acc/End

Bronze 30 = 70 tix
9999 tix = 142 bronze 30 rolls

Sales over: ___# of sales
>=20 mil________4
10-19.9 mil____11
5-9.9 mil______29
500k-4.9 mil___39
trash__________50

Final infamy: 510,500,192
-seed inf of 100 mil: 410,500,192
Avg profit per bronze: 2,890,846

Unsold: 8,910,000
Final inf + unsold: 419,410,192

1 rare salvage = 540 tix = avg of 2 mil if sold
1 Silver roll = 525 tix
525 tix = 7 bronze 30 rolls
7 Bronze 30 rolls avg profit: 20,235,924
Compare to Avg Profit/Silver roll: 12,198,533
Ratio: 1.65

So for 9999 tix, bronze 30 rolls will bring in 65% more profit if crafted vs silver 30 rolls.
Also note that about 1/3 of my rolls were trash, ie, not worth crafting. My criteria for crafting is that it has to sell for at least 1 mil. A large majority of the bronzes will sell for between 1-5 mil.

Wish I knew how you guys did it, been farming bronze rolls for days, and absolutely nothing I get seems to be worth anything, I've gotten crushing impacts, reactive armors, miracle heals etc etc, and they just sit on the trading house for days and days and I am barely listing them even at 1/10th of the last 5 selling bids (which are usually things sold from a couple of days ago) I might have gotten ONE good recipe in all the rolls I have had and that was a performance shifter chance for endurance, which I kept for my ss/fire brute. The market seems like a fickle beast, I sometimes have recipes where the last few bids would be for millions 15-20+ or more, but currently there are no bidders or sellers for the particular item, and the winning bids would be from up to a week or more ago, and of course when i list, they just seem to take up my selling slots. I admit I'm not good at this, i like knowing what an item sells for (was an ah junkie in wow) and not have to guess all the time. Some of the guides here seem well enough but it feels like in actual practice I'm just messing it up.

I could add a lot to this discussion if one requires ticket data, I cap out quite frequently so if there needs to be any help just ask.

I find myself using silver simply because 3x 9999 Bronze rolls is really too time-tasking when It is simply a side-effect of my runs. Often silver rolls grant me a lot of good quality IO's that are the costlier of the builds.

Fury

right, meant to add I do craft them and list them but there is this odd trend (and it was also pointed out in a guide I read) for example, i could have a reactive armor say level 37 and no one will bid on it, but if you look at a level 35, it has tons of bids, same as if you look at a level 40 one Maybe it's gamewide ocd. I dgress, didn't mean to divert the topic, I'd appreciate some pointers in PM if no one minds.

I use silver, not because it is innately better money for tickets spent, but because it is quicker and easier. The time spent on deleting tons of bronzes could be spent playing or farming, and that time is more valuable to me than the inf I could potentially earn by bronzing.