Welcome to the wacky world of diminishing returns. Most of your power attributes inside of a PvP zone are subjected to a formula where the sum of the attributes (personal powers, enhancements, IO sets, and external buffs all added together) are reduced if they are beyond a certain minimal amount. The greater the sum of the buffs, the greater the reduction.
So perma powers are no longer perma, soft-capped characters are no longer soft-capped, etc.
Here's the Arcanaville explanation if you want to get into the formula.
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Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea
Welcome to the wacky world of diminishing returns. Most of your power attributes inside of a PvP zone are subjected to a formula where the sum of the attributes (personal powers, enhancements, IO sets, and external buffs all added together) are reduced if they are beyond a certain minimal amount. The greater the sum of the buffs, the greater the reduction.
So perma powers are no longer perma, soft-capped characters are no longer soft-capped, etc. Here's the Arcanaville explanation if you want to get into the formula. |
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Effects that Don't Change Some power characteristics cannot be varied by the devs. You can safely expect these characteristics to stay the same between PvP and PvE:
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What you quoted refers to the base values of powers. Blazing Arrow has a base recharge of 10 seconds in either a PvE or PvP zone, but you'll see smaller returns on enhancement in a PvP zone.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
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Maybe that was changed? |
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Originally Posted by Patient_V
What you quoted refers to the base values of powers. Blazing Arrow has a base recharge of 10 seconds in either a PvE or PvP zone, but you'll see smaller returns on enhancement in a PvP zone.
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Well, that explains why the PvP zones are mostly empty.
Thanks for taking the time to give an answer.
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It's true. Diminishing Returns is an utter failure because there's nothing fun about accumulating bonuses on your character only to have them completely stripped away for no good reason.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
It's true. Diminishing Returns is an utter failure
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Originally Posted by Positron
DR is a tool that gives a lot more flexibility to designers when they are creating powerful effects. Without it, PVP would just come down to who can buff the fastest to get off their killing blow.
I understand a hatred towards DR, as it really does monkeywrench a lot of builds, but it does give the Powers team a lot more flexibility in what they are allowed to create. |
Positron's i13 letter: We are trying to make PvP more accessible to new players, while giving experienced PvP'ers the advantage that comes with formulating tactics around the new systems we're putting in place. PvP from now on will be on our priority list. If something isn't working out, we'll be in there tweaking it and making it work, for the entire future of the product, not just Issue 13.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Well, that explains why the PvP zones are mostly empty.
Thanks for taking the time to give an answer. |
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He was saying DR was a failure. I think his reasoning is that it's one of the things that helped to kill PvP. Therefore, if the goal was to improve the PvP experience, it was a failure.|
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you were saying?
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Of course, the other sentence (about having your bonuses stripped away "for no good reason") isn't actually true. There was a good reason. It just didn't work out as hoped.
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Are recharge times suppressed in PvP zones? My level 50 ill/rad has perma PA in PvE, but in Recluse's Victory, my PA recharge times were way out of whack, as was my AM.
Why in the world did they implement this if it's working as intended?
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