The future of TRON


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Well the DVD of TRON LEGACY arrives April 5th in many packages. Rumors are that a bonus on the disc may well be a sneak peek at TRON 3.

Having read around, it looks like the movie did about 392 million world wide and a sequel is green lit with rumors of the Dillingers as the villains (yes plural, father and son.)

Could be interesting, and I think I know of a way get Flynn back.

In the movie his ID disc was stolen and given to Clu 2 and then they got back. Flynn then anticipates Clu and plays the old shell game by switching discs with Quorra. Thus when Sam and Quorra leave they take Kevin's disc while Kevin makes the big sacrifice.

However the disc is more then just the golden ticket and master key as Flynn put it.

"everything you do or learn is imprinted on your disc". So your knowledge and memories are there, and quite possibly brainwaves/personality if you are a user though that isn't confirmed. But IF that is the case, then if Sam decides to rebuild the Grid and he still has his father's disc, that disc could conceivably be used to recreate Kevin or perhaps more accurately, Kevin 2.0. This backup copy of Kevin would have all his memories up to the point of his disc being taken in the End of Line club since he didn't seem to interface with it to update it before switching discs with Quorra.

All they need to do is tell him what he is and what happened with Kevin and Clu 2 and then he can decide to either stick around and pursue the dream of building the Grid or derezz himself if he doesn't think he should exist.

If Quorra can leave the Grid then I'd say anything goes since she is more a program then a human. So booting up a back up of Kevin could be done

I can also see his disc still being coveted for all the secrets, ideas and knowledge that he had.

I wouldn't be surprised though if TRON 3 involves Dillinger Jr attacking the company from within with his father working on the outside somewhere to attack Encom and if such is the case I'd expect a new MCP and a Sark 2.0 to arise, in which case TRON will be needed once again. Alan in the real world aiding them while Sam and Tron are on the Grid saving the day from within the system. Could be a good thing.

Also can we please cast the actor that played Sam Flynn as the son of Indiana Jones instead of Shia?


 

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As much of a fan I am, I don't want TRON 3.
I have to go with this. I just don't think that another one wil be anywhere as good.


 

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Enjoyed Legacy, I think that a part 3 might be nice to see. There's also a Tron series in the works also.



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Enjoyed Legacy, I think that a part 3 might be nice to see. There's also a Tron series in the works also.
Yeah I hear the animated will tell some of the story between Tron and Tron Legacy and that TRON is apparently searching for a new program to be the next Tron and fight against Clu 2.

Considering the events of Legacy I'm guessing his pupil failed


 

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Yeah I hear the animated will tell some of the story between Tron and Tron Legacy and that TRON is apparently searching for a new program to be the next Tron and fight against Clu 2.

Considering the events of Legacy I'm guessing his pupil failed
It's kind of interesting how they seem to maneuvering the TRON story into the same kind of grand plotline that Lucas developed for the overall Star Wars saga.

With the two TRON movies we now have a "before" story, a gap of like 20 years where new stories can be generated, and a "final" story. Like Star Wars it seems like they are going to explore the 20ish year gap to explain how things got from the "before" story to the "final" story.

Frankly I'm more interested in the animation series that deals with that "gap" between the two main story areas than a sequel that goes farther in the future than Tron:Legacy.


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It's kind of interesting how they seem to maneuvering the TRON story into the same kind of grand plotline that Lucas developed for the overall Star Wars saga.

With the two TRON movies we now have a "before" story, a gap of like 20 years where new stories can be generated, and a "final" story. Like Star Wars it seems like they are going to explore the 20ish year gap to explain how things got from the "before" story to the "final" story.

Frankly I'm more interested in the animation series that deals with that "gap" between the two main story areas than a sequel that goes farther in the future than Tron:Legacy.
Yeah the in-between story should be cool. I still suspect that Dillinger jr and possibly his dad will be the next menace for the movies, and if THEY are.....well that can easily mean a new Sark and MCP.

Given the antique computers that the MCP ran on in TRON compared to now and how programming language has evolved, and how easily the MCP was invading every system in TRON including Strategic Air Command and was planning on the Kremlin and Pentagon next........imagine what a modern version of the MCP could do.


 

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TRON to me, has always been a video game movie.

I liked how in the first TRON, all the games were very 2D in scope representative of the type of games of the time: Pong, Breakout, Snake, BattleZone.

The second movie, had more 3D updates of the same games, representing the Nintendo Game Cube, XBox and PS2 eras, as well as added a Star Fox shooter type game.

I hope in the third movie, we could see current gen games represented.


 

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Last I heard, the current cast had signed for two sequels, so.....



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Last I heard, the current cast had signed for two sequels, so.....



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Even Jeff Bridges? Legacy seems like it was written in such a way that Bridges could exit the franchise if he wanted to do so.


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Even Jeff Bridges? Legacy seems like it was written in such a way that Bridges could exit the franchise if he wanted to do so.
Agreed, but as I postulated above: they used Kevin's disc to leave the system so that Clu 2 couldn't get his hands on it. Each person or program's disc contains everything they do or learn, in the case of a user if the disc also records brainwaves/personality then its possible that Kevin's disc could be used to create a backup copy of him that could still exist within the system and work to creating a new and improved Grid.

Or the explosion that occurred when Flynn forced Clu 2 to reintegrate with him wasn't fatal for him as he thought it would be. Yes the explosion took down the command carrier and the bulk of the grid, but who is to say that Kevin couldn't reintegrate himself? He was in the system for a long time and knows things about it that even Clu 2 didn't.

I know one upgrade I'd make to the grid: the portal can be opened from the inside but only by the user and his identity disc that way no programs can slip out. That way the danger of being locked in becomes moot.


 

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Last I heard, the current cast had signed for two sequels, so.....
About the only part of the story I'd want to see is an explanation of what happened to Lora/Yori. After that I almost couldn't care less what would happen in any "sequel" part to the story at this point.

Now don't get me wrong: I'd probably see any new feature length version of TRON regardless and I'd be very interested in learning more about the "in-between" story like I mentioned earlier in the thread. But as for a "sequel" movie(s) I could probably live pretty well enough without them. Unlike some stories there's really no pressing "need" to advance the story any farther into the future after Legacy.


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About the only part of the story I'd want to see is an explanation of what happened to Lora/Yori.
Yeah, they didn't get to Lora in the movie, but during a promotional (at Wondercon) they showed that Lora is now married to Alan Bradley, Cindy Morgan even showed up with Bruce Boxleitner to reprise her role.


 

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Yeah, they didn't get to Lora in the movie, but during a promotional (at Wondercon) they showed that Lora is now married to Alan Bradley, Cindy Morgan even showed up with Bruce Boxleitner to reprise her role.
Yeah them getting married would not be that surprising. Still, trying to slip something like that in at a Con is fairly pathetic all things considered. They could have at least given her like a 30 second cameo during Legacy to explain all that and put a nice "bow" on her involvement in the overall story. *shrugs*


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We live in the age of franchises, my friend. And trilogies. You may thank Uncle George for that....my understanding is that everyone bar Bridges was signed to two more movies, and that the story will from the end of Legacy.


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We live in the age of franchises, my friend. And trilogies. You may thank Uncle George for that....my understanding is that everyone bar Bridges was signed to two more movies, and that the story will from the end of Legacy.
Well I guess I'll beleive in a new TRON trilogy when I see it.
The Golden Compass was supposed to be the first of a pre-planned trilogy and look what happened there.


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We live in the age of franchises, my friend. And trilogies. You may thank Uncle George for that....my understanding is that everyone bar Bridges was signed to two more movies, and that the story will from the end of Legacy.


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Not to mention that Disney finally woke up and realized that TRON is a money maker so you know they are now going to bleed it dry.


 

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Not to mention that Disney finally woke up and realized that TRON is a money maker so you know they are now going to bleed it dry.
According to IMDB TRON:Legacy more or less just "broke even" last week. Now obviously it'll probably make a bunch of extra money on the DVD/blu-ray sales, but still it wasn't really a "super-blockbuster" box office wise. *shrugs*

I'm not suggesting a new trilogy won't happen. But by the same token I'm not totally sure it's an automatic guarantee at this point either. Lots of people make "contractual plans" for sequels that never happen. Just saying.


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According to IMDB TRON:Legacy more or less just "broke even" last week. Now obviously it'll probably make a bunch of extra money on the DVD/blu-ray sales, but still it wasn't really a "super-blockbuster" box office wise. *shrugs*

I'm not suggesting a new trilogy won't happen. But by the same token I'm not totally sure it's an automatic guarantee at this point either. Lots of people make "contractual plans" for sequels that never happen. Just saying.
Last I read was that it did about 392 million world wide, granted that was the Wikipedia entry so accuracy is of course in question. Still if that number is accurate I would think that would be more then "break even".

Still I think TRON will be a money maker for them. Think of it, new action figures and toys from Legacy then a brief release of classic design toys to tantalize fans and collectors alike. Also I suspect that certain figures such as Yori/Laura and Quorra will be the "rare" or hard to find ones. Then they will likely have variants such as Tron with red circuits instead of blue, or yellow similar to how certain Star Wars figures that had lightsabers would get the occasionally different colored blade.

Also I still suspect that TRON 3 will have the Dillingers or at least Dillinger Jr as the villain which could easily lead to a confrontation in the grid with a new MCP and Sark. Granted that already screams "TRON 1 remake" but seeing a disc fight between Tron and new Sark with update FX as well as a newer MCP already has an appeal.

Plus I liked how in Legacy when a program is destroyed, they are "Fragmented" vs. "Derezzed", nice update.


 

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Still I think TRON will be a money maker for them. Think of it, new action figures and toys from Legacy then a brief release of classic design toys to tantalize fans and collectors alike. Also I suspect that certain figures such as Yori/Laura and Quorra will be the "rare" or hard to find ones. Then they will likely have variants such as Tron with red circuits instead of blue, or yellow similar to how certain Star Wars figures that had lightsabers would get the occasionally different colored blade.

Let's be honest, with an avatar like that you're probably hoping a little more then the rest of us that all of that pans out. ;]






 

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I got a idea.. It might seem strange for the next one, but why not make TRON 3 about the redemption of Dillinger and RINZLER/TRON. It would make more sense considering the bad names both would have in their respective worlds. I think it would throw a spin on how we would see Dillinger Jr and also make the story about redemption and reconciliation of the Flynn's and Dillinger's. It might start out with the Dillingers wanting revenge and control of ENCOM, but something happens and forces them into the GRID changing their whole perceptions about life and control and making them wanting to be better men Yeah it sounds corny and lame and (gasp) Disney .

But seriously it would be interesting to see and would not be the normal storyline.

Even if they don't use that idea, I hope they explain one thing from Legacy. A friend of mines and I noticed CLU's line to SAM about him being the only one who got his message. It even seemed like CLU might not have sent the message at all. I would like that issue explained in Tron 3


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I got a idea.. It might seem strange for the next one, but why not make TRON 3 about the redemption of Dillinger and RINZLER/TRON. It would make more sense considering the bad names both would have in their respective worlds. I think it would throw a spin on how we would see Dillinger Jr and also make the story about redemption and reconciliation of the Flynn's and Dillinger's. It might start out with the Dillingers wanting revenge and control of ENCOM, but something happens and forces them into the GRID changing their whole perceptions about life and control and making them wanting to be better men Yeah it sounds corny and lame and (gasp) Disney .

But seriously it would be interesting to see and would not be the normal storyline.

Even if they don't use that idea, I hope they explain one thing from Legacy. A friend of mines and I noticed CLU's line to SAM about him being the only one who got his message. It even seemed like CLU might not have sent the message at all. I would like that issue explained in Tron 3
Clu 2 sent the page, when Sam first encountered him he thought it was his father and Clu 2 went along with it until he learned what he wanted about how it was just Sam that came in and then scanned his ID disc. Sam escapes the Game Grid and Clu 2 says "Game on, old friend". After Flynn and Sam have their reunion we see Clu 2 waiting impatiently for Flynn to make a move.

As to Rinzler/TRON, I don't think anyone other then Clu 2 and later Flynn knew that he was a reprogrammed TRON. I doubt the denizens of the Grid knew or cared.

Also we don't know what Rinzler/TRON did other then be the champion of the games and top enforcer for Clu 2. Did he do any derezzing/slaughter of programs? Clu 2 did the genocide of the ISO's I doubt Rinzler/TRON was in on that.


 

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Flynn assumed it was CLU2 who sent the page . CLU2 was glad it was SAM or any user that came because he knew it would involve Flynn back into the activity of the GRID. If this was CLU2, he assumed someone else would come not SAM . Also TRON/RINZLER had to be involved in everything, because TRON got turned on the day CLU2 betrayed Flynn. By all accounts as Rinzler, he was most definatly involved in all the murders and genocide that he caused. Hell he wasn't converted back till the end of Legacy when he announced he fought for the users again and fell into the Sea of Simulation and his armor turned back. So for 20 year or whatever grid time there was Rinzler was doing a lot of bad things that he needs to make up for and would weigh heavy on his/TRON's heart.

I know CLU2 was waiting on someone else. Because if CLU2 was in the GRID the whole time, how was he able to communicate with a pager device? I'm telling ya this isn't a writing gap since the same writers were contracted for TRON3 as well. CLU2, for all his character flaws was honest . Brutal but honest(even when you read BETRAYAL he is honest in his motives). He never said he sent the page. He just asked SAM was he the only one who got the page to come. He had no way of communicating with the outside world or what was going on with the outside world till he even looked at SAM's disc. Remember CLU wasn't the MCP. He had no way to acess our real world or internet technology like the MCP had even back in 82..

Maybe we can call it bad writing, but I dont think the writers were that insulting to the audience leaving them hanging like that without a third one to answer those questions .


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Let's be honest, with an avatar like that you're probably hoping a little more then the rest of us that all of that pans out. ;]
Yeah I wish Nerius all the luck because he's clearly a fan, but after all it did take Disney 28+ years to do a sequel to TRON. Again I'm not going to say more TRON movies are impossible at this point, but clearly it's not really quite worth holding our breaths for yet either. Like I said before I'll believe it when I see it.


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Flynn assumed it was CLU2 who sent the page . CLU2 was glad it was SAM or any user that came because he knew it would involve Flynn back into the activity of the GRID. If this was CLU2, he assumed someone else would come not SAM . Also TRON/RINZLER had to be involved in everything, because TRON got turned on the day CLU2 betrayed Flynn. By all accounts as Rinzler, he was most definatly involved in all the murders and genocide that he caused. Hell he wasn't converted back till the end of Legacy when he announced he fought for the users again and fell into the Sea of Simulation and his armor turned back. So for 20 year or whatever grid time there was Rinzler was doing a lot of bad things that he needs to make up for and would weigh heavy on his/TRON's heart.

I know CLU2 was waiting on someone else. Because if CLU2 was in the GRID the whole time, how was he able to communicate with a pager device? I'm telling ya this isn't a writing gap since the same writers were contracted for TRON3 as well. CLU2, for all his character flaws was honest . Brutal but honest(even when you read BETRAYAL he is honest in his motives). He never said he sent the page. He just asked SAM was he the only one who got the page to come. He had no way of communicating with the outside world or what was going on with the outside world till he even looked at SAM's disc. Remember CLU wasn't the MCP. He had no way to acess our real world or internet technology like the MCP had even back in 82..

Maybe we can call it bad writing, but I dont think the writers were that insulting to the audience leaving them hanging like that without a third one to answer those questions .
Clu 2 was/is Flynn when he was created so he would know everything Flynn did at that point and was for the most part an exact copy of Flynn. The fact that Flynn welcomed the ISO's and Clu 2 wanted them gone is an interesting divergence between the two. However Alan stated that Flynn told him to always keep the pager no matter what. I suspect that Flynn had a way of contacting Alan via the pager from within the Grid until the Clu 2 coup and he was forced into hiding in his sanctuary/fortress of solitude. Whatever was there to access the pager could easily have been inside Clu 2's base in the Grid.

But let's suppose that Clu 2 didn't send the page. Flynn didn't send it either. Rinzler/Tron? not likely. That leaves only one candidate: the Dillingers. They could have hacked into the Grid and saw what Flynn was building and corrupted Clu 2 with the programming to destroy the ISO's, TRON and Flynn but the corruption instead enhanced Clu 2's desire for perfection and his urge to bring his forces to our world.

Dillinger Sr. was described by Flynn as not quite as smart but very sneaky. Perhaps he was able to obtain the digitization tech and make his own Grid/system and in that system lurks a new MCP and Sark, just waiting for the day to be unleashed onto the internet for total takeover. Flynn, TRON, Sam Flynn, and Alan would be the only threats to this plan.