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Yes, the bruising is real. It was added in I19.. or maybe I18 to encourage tanks to use their T1 attack.
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Originally Posted by Elfis_Presley
So I read about the first attack in tanker secondaries giving a resistance debuff in one of the posts, but I don't see any reference to a bruising power in-game, and the detailed info for Jab shows no such thing.
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It was also added to help them solo, in response to complaints that their damage is too low. |
Originally Posted by Diggis
Yes, the bruising is real. It was added in I19.. or maybe I18 to encourage tanks to use their T1 attack.
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It's there, but since it was so recently added, the in-game information hasn't been updated yet. It's a 20% resistance debuff proc that has a 100% chance to fire on a given target, and it won't stack with itself.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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But will stack from different tanks? So 2 tanks will apply a 40% debuff?
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
It was also added to help them solo, in response to complaints that their damage is too low.
It's there, but since it was so recently added, the in-game information hasn't been updated yet. It's a 20% resistance debuff proc that has a 100% chance to fire on a given target, and it won't stack with itself. |
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No.|
Originally Posted by Diggis
But will stack from different tanks? So 2 tanks will apply a 40% debuff?
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It grants a power to the enemy that casts a "doesn't stack from same caster" debuff of -20% resistance. Technically, the enemy is the caster.
The cool thing is that this makes it so bruising bypasses the purple patch.
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Ahh, OK. Makes sense. I assume the resistance types are across the board?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
No.
It grants a power to the enemy that casts a "doesn't stack from same caster" debuff of -20% resistance. Technically, the enemy is the caster. The cool thing is that this makes it so bruising bypasses the purple patch. |
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Yup. It's -20% to everything a player can throw at it.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Ahh, OK. Makes sense. I assume the resistance types are across the board?
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Since it's tied to the Tier 1 power, you can test this yourself by making a baby Tanker. Brawl something, look at the damage number. Then use the Tier 1 attack and brawl it a second time, and note the increased damage number (it won't look like a lot on level 1 Brawl, but it will be significant on your higher damage attacks). Bruising is quite nice for dealing with bosses and EBs.
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Wow, that's an enormous buff, especially for sets with a tier 1 that was already good enough to use. I'm pretty much all about super strength, with the worst tier 1, so I'd like to use it as little as possible; it lasts 10 seconds?
Wow! okay, its official. Before every Knockout blow I smack that boss with, he is gonna get a quick jab. thanks for the info.
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Jab is the worst Tier 1? Worse than Frozen Fists? (Not sarcastic; I don't really know what the worst Tier 1 is, not having made a point of looking for it). At least Jab has Rage going...it seems wasteful to hit Build UP for the other Tier 1s. |
Originally Posted by Elfis_Presley
Wow, that's an enormous buff, especially for sets with a tier 1 that was already good enough to use. I'm pretty much all about super strength, with the worst tier 1, so I'd like to use it as little as possible; it lasts 10 seconds?
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Pro tip: slip a proc in too (I like Hecatomb here unless I am trying to uuse the set intact somewhere else).
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I was proccing out Jab & Punch for Rage crashes for a while, but ended up pulling those slots to put in elsewhere, just 4-slotting Kin Combat in there. Still, Jab technically has the worst DPA of all the tanker T1 attacks (actually, I never updated my spreadsheet for KM so I dunno about that one), but mix Rage into the equation and it prolly comes ahead of FF in the long run. Both (base #s) are behind Boxing, btw. |
Originally Posted by Sailboat
Jab is the worst Tier 1? Worse than Frozen Fists? (Not sarcastic; I don't really know what the worst Tier 1 is, not having made a point of looking for it). At least Jab has Rage going...it seems wasteful to hit Build UP for the other Tier 1s.
Pro tip: slip a proc in too (I like Hecatomb here unless I am trying to uuse the set intact somewhere else). |
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sadly, even frozen fists does more dpa, using arcanatime. It does take longer to get it over with though, so I guess maybe frozen fists is worse. Yeah after asking that dumb question, I logged in and punched something. 10 second duration.
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All tier-1 Tanker secondary powers say they'll Bruise the target.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
It's there, but since it was so recently added, the in-game information hasn't been updated yet.
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You can view the details for Bruising in-game by typing [Bruised] in the chat window.
Any time you Bruise a target, it will show those four little orange "resist down" graphical effects, so you know it works.
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The debuff lasts 10 seconds and using a T1 again before the duration is up will refresh it. |
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Wow! okay, its official. Before every Knockout blow I smack that boss with, he is gonna get a quick jab. thanks for the info.
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So, in the case of Super Strength if you lead with a Jab you should be able to get 4-6 attacks in before Jabbing again to keep the debuff up. Keep this in mind for situations like soloing an EB at maximum efficiency.
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Sounds cool, so, if you are in a fight and say as above you have super strength.
If you hit somebody with your first attack, which on SS is jab, it cuts the enemy defences by 20% for 10 seconds!?
I assume this is immaterial of how many enhancement slots, or indeed what enhancements you have in it?
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Yes, it will cut RESISTANCE by 20%, just to clarify from Defense. It will make your attacks do more damage for the next 10 seconds, but will do nothing to your chances to hit.
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Originally Posted by BigBoss Eyepatch
Sounds cool, so, if you are in a fight and say as above you have super strength.
If you hit somebody with your first attack, which on SS is jab, it cuts the enemy defences by 20% for 10 seconds!? I assume this is immaterial of how many enhancement slots, or indeed what enhancements you have in it? |
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That's quite good, will certainly make soloing when I can't find a group less of a headache.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Yes, it will cut RESISTANCE by 20%, just to clarify from Defense. It will make your attacks do more damage for the next 10 seconds, but will do nothing to your chances to hit.
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Sorry for muddling up defence and resistance, I do that a lot.
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No worries, it happens. I figured you knew what you were talking about, I just wanted to make sure it was clear to other readers.
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Originally Posted by BigBoss Eyepatch
That's quite good, will certainly make soloing when I can't find a group less of a headache.
Sorry for muddling up defence and resistance, I do that a lot. |
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I think I was playing the game for about 6-8 months before I really appreciated the difference... I honestly did not see how they could be different, from the way I was defining them. It does help to explain them, I think.
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Sounds like Tankers have a new tagline.
Tankers: "The Bruising is real!" Makes a good replacement for the old Tanker tagline: Tankers: "We're Beatrice!" |
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So I read about the first attack in tanker secondaries giving a resistance debuff in one of the posts, but I don't see any reference to a bruising power in-game, and the detailed info for Jab shows no such thing.