Well based on this Issue 20 info that just came out literally a few minutes ago it appears that the Devs have in fact decided to "decouple" the respec tokens from the respec trial badges. It's quite possible that after Issue 20 hits you'll get the badges for these trials regardless of the reward you choose.
I know that doesn't help you with your situation this instant. But at least your "suggestion" for a solution to this problem looks to already be accounted for. 
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Well based on this Issue 20 info that just came out literally a few minutes ago it appears that the Devs have in fact decided to "decouple" the respec tokens from the respec trial badges.
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I remember reading something here in the forums a couple of months ago that the Devs were "looking into" fixing these badges. That vague news alone kept me from "cheating" any of the 3 redside respec badges my main badging character still needs. |
Originally Posted by Turgenev
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But until today it was hard to know WHEN they were going to fix them. For all we knew it was going to take another 6 months or longer. It's good to finally get some "ballpark" idea of when these will be sorted out.
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Wonder if we are looking at another alignment change to go get them?
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Most likely, as you need to be fully aligned to reap the reward.
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It will probably be one of those where you can earn the badge while vig/rogue, but you won't receive the badge until you've switched over fully.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
Most likely, as you need to be fully aligned to reap the reward.
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Most likely, as you need to be fully aligned to reap the reward.
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Originally Posted by Bohmfalk
It will probably be one of those where you can earn the badge while vig/rogue, but you won't receive the badge until you've switched over fully.
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I'd be more inclined to think that they will work just like the other accolade badges. As soon as you switch sides, you'll gain the corresponding respec badges that you already have. That way the respecs would still be tied to the badges, we could still only earn 3 trial respecs, but everybody could now earn all 6. |
Originally Posted by Lothic
Well based on this Issue 20 info that just came out literally a few minutes ago it appears that the Devs have in fact decided to "decouple" the respec tokens from the respec trial badges. It's quite possible that after Issue 20 hits you'll get the badges for these trials regardless of the reward you choose.
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Well.. that's how I'd do it anyway. lol
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I dunno, they way they put it on the site, it looks like they're earnable badges that you still have to run the trial for, even though you won't be able to get the respecs for completing them.|
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
I'd be more inclined to think that they will work just like the other accolade badges. As soon as you switch sides, you'll gain the corresponding respec badges that you already have. That way the respecs would still be tied to the badges, we could still only earn 3 trial respecs, but everybody could now earn all 6.
Well.. that's how I'd do it anyway. lol |
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| Respec Badges: Heroes and Villains who have changed alignments can now collect all six respec trial badges. No new respecs will be granted. |
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I'm good with it either way. Even if we are "forced" to run 3 more trials just to get 3 more badges I'd rather do that than to have the thing left broken the way it is now. I actually haven't run either side's respec trials in a long time so when I20 finally brings this fix to the live servers it might provide the motivation to run something else that's semi-unusual for a change.
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Originally Posted by Bohmfalk
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The way it's put on the site is very vague and open to multiple theories of interpretation. All it says is that we can collect them after changing alignment. It doesn't say they aren't granted automatically, nor does it state we have to do any task to earn them. It can go either way. They are accolade badges, and the other accolades work the same way. It's not far fetched or unreasonable to think they would have done it that way. It only mentions that we wont get a new respec when the badge is granted, but does nothing to imply how the badges are granted. |
Originally Posted by Bohmfalk
I dunno, they way they put it on the site, it looks like they're earnable badges that you still have to run the trial for, even though you won't be able to get the respecs for completing them.
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Either way, there is no point debating it. We'll find out for sure by the time it matters anyway. The important part is that they did something about it. All I'm saying is that my method would have been a "clean" way to do it.
I need to villain again anyway to pick up Master of Barracuda and some villain day jobs.
And the Promethean power and any likely badge to be associated with the Kal Mortimer TF.
Let's face it. For badgers, every issue is likely to be an occasion to go full alignment circle to pick up all the new badges.
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Not something that I look forward to.
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Let's face it. For badgers, every issue is likely to be an occasion to go full alignment circle to pick up all the new badges. |
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Yeah, but I feel like debating it. Plus, I'm always right. |
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
The way it's put on the site is very vague and open to multiple theories of interpretation. All it says is that we can collect them after changing alignment. It doesn't say they aren't granted automatically, nor does it state we have to do any task to earn them. It can go either way. They are accolade badges, and the other accolades work the same way. It's not far fetched or unreasonable to think they would have done it that way. It only mentions that we wont get a new respec when the badge is granted, but does nothing to imply how the badges are granted.
Either way, there is no point debating it. We'll find out for sure by the time it matters anyway. The important part is that they did something about it. All I'm saying is that my method would have been a "clean" way to do it. |
Joking aside, I agree totally...either way will work for me, and we'll find out when it happens.
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Then again it's not a scenario that was unexpected. I realized this was probably going to be the case several months ago. In fact I've had several of my badging characters parked with all the alignment points ready to go to shift back to the other side at the drop of a hat for weeks now. |
Originally Posted by Nericus
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Well since you all seemed pretty well versed in alignment switching, I'll ask a non-related follow up. Are there any long-term benefits of having always stayed one alignment? I'm of two minds here, torn between my RP justification of Bill not faltering in his thematic purpose, versus my desire to have him fall just to snag more badges. Have they ever emphatically stated that there will or won't be permanent ramifications?
As to permanent ramifications, there are none. However, there are benefits to reaffirming alignments, due to A-merits and their ability to be used to buy IOs.
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As have I. They don't need alignment merits as they are built to my satisfaction, I just like them where they are at, on the blueside. Or more exactly Blue-Grey as they are vigilante align.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Then again it's not a scenario that was unexpected. I realized this was probably going to be the case several months ago. In fact I've had several of my badging characters parked with all the alignment points ready to go to shift back to the other side at the drop of a hat for weeks now.
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Yeah. For the purpose of A-merits and getting IO's I have a couple of super powered alts staying at their alignment as they can hammer through the missions and rack up the merits, then get the IO needed and email it to the alt that needs it. |
Originally Posted by Bohmfalk
As to permanent ramifications, there are none. However, there are benefits to reaffirming alignments, due to A-merits and their ability to be used to buy IOs.
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Badge hunters are different. I keep them on the fence with the alignment points accumulated and ready.
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I'd really be amazingly surprised if they ever (at this point) suddenly decided to say something like "Any character that has remained true to their original alignment will gain X permanent benefit". That would be an unfair "bait and switch" reversal of a colossal size and there would be a huge backlash to it. I believe it's safe to say there will never be PERMENENT ramifications for either switching alignments OR staying true.|
Originally Posted by Bill_of_Rights
Well since you all seemed pretty well versed in alignment switching, I'll ask a non-related follow up. Are there any long-term benefits of having always stayed one alignment? I'm of two minds here, torn between my RP justification of Bill not faltering in his thematic purpose, versus my desire to have him fall just to snag more badges. Have they ever emphatically stated that there will or won't be permanent ramifications?
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Now of course there are -some- ramifications to switching, like losing Alignment merits or powers. But to my knowledge there is nothing that can't be regained upon going back to an original alignment. So it's basically left up to the individual player how/why you justify any alignment decision vis-a-vis badging or anything else.
To use myself as an example my main badger Loth was always RP'd as a "reformed villain" as far back as 2004 so it was easy in my mind to justify her slipping back into her former evil ways to get redside badges. My second badger Ryver was always played as the "Good Girl" hero so for her I just assumed she got turned villainous against her will via some kind of evil mind control or some-such. I even redid some of her normally tidy costumes making them rough/torn to reflect the times when she's "temporarily chaotic/insane" on the redside.
Whatever works.
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Awesome, thanks again for the info. If anything I might fall from grace just because I've seldom been to the Isles since the CoV beta and don't really love any of my red chars.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
To use myself as an example my main badger Loth was always RP'd as a "reformed villain" as far back as 2004 so it was easy in my mind to justify her slipping back into her former evil ways to get redside badges. My second badger Ryver was always played as the "Good Girl" hero so for her I just assumed she got turned villainous against her will via some kind of evil mind control or some-such. I even redid some of her normally tidy costumes making them rough/torn to reflect the times when she's "temporarily chaotic/insane" on the redside.
Whatever works. |
I justified their switching sides as the "evil" one capturing the "good" one and forcibly switching their minds, then running off to the Rogue Isles to do bad things where everyone could see and ruin his good name. The "good" one, now in the "evil" one's body, quickly broke free and established what was going on before any real harm could be done... but they're currently stuck in each other's bodies until [another plot device happens (aka, "when I get all the badges")].
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My main characters are effectively the same person copied through [plot device* goes here]. Even the "evil" one isn't truly evil, but is very self-serving and just really hates the "good" one.
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Anyway, did they confirm that i20's SF will require you to be a villain? Couldn't you just go Vigilante to earn it, like with all the other SF badges so far? The fall, and consequently the road back, is much shorter that way....
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You should be able to get it as a vigilante, it's so far been Ouroborus that requires a full alignment change.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
Heh heh, convenient, isn't it?
Anyway, did they confirm that i20's SF will require you to be a villain? Couldn't you just go Vigilante to earn it, like with all the other SF badges so far? The fall, and consequently the road back, is much shorter that way.... |
Yesterday I did the 3rd respec trial after I got a random tell asking me to join. I didn't need it, as a 7 year vet I've got more than I can ever use. But I figured what the hey, I'll do it for the badge.
At the end when presented with the choice of a respec or reward merits, I took the merits, naturally, as I have a surplus of unused respecs. Uh...only thing is you don't get the badge for the trial unless you take the respec option. Can this be added to the text presented to the player at the end? I really don't relish the thought of doing the trial again just for the badge, plus people hardly ever run them anymore...it's been at least since 2007 since I did one.
If not, well at least pay attention before hitting 'accept reward' or end up like I did. Badgeless. Not a total loss, I did get a purple recipe I could use and 2 shards, so there's that