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PsiBug, I don't think you should limit yourself.

However, if you think you have overstepped whatever value of 'collaboration' you think is appropriate, then I suggest two things:

- PM the original artist and discuss it. Perhaps you can work on the changes Together!
- Post the new art anyway, but be clear in the commentary that you feel you've made major alterations. Apologize, if you feel it's necessary.

But don't throttle the Art, or apologize for the Art itself.

Be Well!
Fireheart

Pretty much what Fireheart said...

I think some standard rules should be that anyone submitting art should state what they're looking for from others - colors, corrections, anything goes, etc...

And anyone altering anothers work should state what they did to it.

I think if everyone did that we could avoid any misunderstandings.

Good Communication solves/prevents so many problems!



Be Well!
Fireheart

This is what I had been working on drawing for a friend and have yet to finish. The lines still need a bit of cleaning up (mouse drawing isn't the easiest lol) but I'd love to see what you all can do with it. It's suppose to be Divine sitting down holding her cape as she finishes getting dressed and Sin staring back at her through the mirror. Divine ref here: Divine-1 & Divine-2 Sin ref here: Sin-1 & Sin-2 And here's the drawing:

@Psi; You're welcome!
And for the record... I totally love your spin! Don't stop doing that .
I agree.. collabs are a grey area indeed.
When I coloured "Ellie" I made some changes when doing the inking (though that was requested by FloatingFatMan to make the costume like Ellie actually has), but otherwise kept the lines as close as possible to the orignal. I even drew over the "Miss Ellie" text *giggles*.
Is it then still a collab? Or is it a draw-over from another drawing?
Very confusing indeed.

@Muse; You did thát with your mouse?!
I wonder what you can do with a drawing tablet! *giggles*

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Love the composition, Muse!

I bought my first tablet through newegg.com. I think if you ask around, you'll hear good things about them. Here's a link for the bamboo if you are thinking of starting with that model: ($69 and free shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823100056

And you can sometimes find them in the $40 range with free shipping at amazon.com (possibly new, used or refurbished so read the fine print!)


and PS: appreciated the cool arty nurturing messages from everyone regarding collabs and communication etc.

Dropping off another sketch, on the off chance the last one is a bit too "finished" looking, this one
is more rough so there is more to play around with. It's based on the Tiwali piece in Goblin Queen's gallery.
I've always loved the look of that piece so as a warm up sketch I thought I would try my hand at that style, have at ye!

Click the image to go to my DA page and you can get a much bigger version of it to work with.



Feel free to straighten up the teeth (on her collar) as this was just a quick drawing I wasn't too careful in their placement.
Also if, it's not readily apparent, that is the tip of her tail in the bottom left not her shoulder armor.

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Originally Posted by ransim ................... I went with the darker rings around the eyes and the inner highlighting because I was attempting to replicate the goggles in the reference which stand out from the face. The flat lines and the highlighting around the eye you used make them almost seem even or sunken in to the face instead. Though I'm not even sure I managed a goggle effect either. You did overall manage much more depth and texture.................

Minx mentioned somewhere that even though they are goggles in Coh she actually envisions them as thin material webbing similar to Spiderman's eye coverings.

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Originally Posted by Muse Those are great and I'd love to get one but without a job atm that's going to be a bit tough lol. Hopefully my jewelry store picks up in sales and I get one of the jobs I applied for soon................... P.S. I love Newegg. The comp I'm running is completely custom built from parts I got on that site lol.

Good luck on the jobs you applied for Mink.
That's cool you're rocking a custom build too, all my rigs are customs
as well and I use Newegg for like 60% of the parts I order, one of my favorite e-tailers.

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Originally Posted by Fireheart PsiBug, I don't think you should limit yourself. However, if you think you have overstepped whatever value of 'collaboration' you think is appropriate, then I suggest two things: - PM the original artist and discuss it. Perhaps you can work on the changes Together! - Post the new art anyway, but be clear in the commentary that you feel you've made major alterations. Apologize, if you feel it's necessary. But don't throttle the Art, or apologize for the Art itself. Be Well! Fireheart

I should clarify my position on this here since I agree good communication is the key. To me a collaboration can be many things but the single trait that must be exhibited is that it should be visible that more than one person worked on a particular piece. How much each of the participants contributes is very flexible and up to the individuals themselves but at the point where it's obvious a piece was created from start to finish by one person it's not a collab.

Even major alterations would be fine with me (assuming it's ok with the other artists as well) but in the above example it was immediately apparent to me that there was nothing left of DD's work. Not her lines, nor her colors nor anything of her style remain in the finished piece so to me it's a very nicely done piece of art but it's not a collab.

That said it's a great piece (I knew DD would still love both the piece and the gesture from Psi-bug) and people can obviously still learn much from seeing a different artists take on one of their pieces.

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Originally Posted by FrozenDeath Collaboration is a pretty open-ended term. There are probably as many different ways to collaborate as there are groups of people who want to work together. I think what Chris means by it, in the context of this thread, is the comic book style division of labor: drawer, inker, colorist. If the original linework has to be preserved, maybe that should be explicitly stated? It pretty much rules out people who use a painterly approach, such as myself, from this collaboration.

I have very little experience with comics (read only a few and don't own any) but no I am not worried about any sort of strict division of labor at all just that more than one person have a visible contribution to the final piece. I recognize this can be something of a gray area but there are several examples of collabs I can link to that might make it clearer what I mean by that.

This is a collab that I did with Lexi-chan where I made several major alterations (fixed up her chest, the chest emblem, her waist and completely redid her supporting leg) and I also went around the whole exterior and removed all the stray white pixels from her line work but I think it's pretty easy to tell this is a collab. Her style is still plainly evident in both the before and after shots and the finished result looks like a CR/Lexi collab not a CR redraw of a Lexi-chan piece.

I actually would hope you (and any other painterly types as well) do participate BW... there's no question in my mind that many here could learn a lot from working with you (as I have). We've collaborated a few times already and even though you painted over much of my linework, like say in this piece, I think both of our contributions show quite clearly (there is a link in the description to my original pencils) and it looks to me very much like a CR+BW collab, not a solo BW painting.

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This is a great idea, pairing up artists.

It was suggested that I pop over here and check it, and I'm glad I did.

My coloring skills revolve around using crayons, so I haven't takes a stab at these. If anyone feels inspired to take a shot at coloring these it would be great.

Had some free time tonight so I figured I would give coloring the goblin queen piece by CR a try. Still working on this but its bed time so figured I'd share where I am so far.

I feel like I messed up some of the hair bits so CR lemmie know if I did >_< Also decided to give Bobby's hair tutorial a try, not bad, definitely need to work on it more though I was a bit haphazard with it.

It's off to a great start Ransim.
Some of the pencils I've posted had detailed hairpathing drawn or suggested already
so I just drew in the outlining shapes for this one and I'll leave it to the collaborators how they want to approach it.

Looks like you are headed in the right direction.

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As I had a little time to spare before going to the zoo .. I thought I'd put in a little work on a collab and I took CR's drawing which Ransim already did some good colouring on and as he won't work on it before tonight... I thought I'd give it a shot in the mean time .



As I looked ad Tiwali's version of GQ, I noticed the bone headband (or what ever it is doesn't actually go into her hair. So I think the grey area should become hair instead
Also worked on the lips.

Hope you like it!

*waves*
DeeDee

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Made some time this afternoon, needed a break from some coding work that was making my eyes burn.

Still tweaking the skin... not sold entirely on the texture yet so I might swap it around some and try other stuff. I cheated a bit on the eyes and used a previous photo manip I'd done of a photograph I took.

It's really cool watching this tage by stage

Great job peeps, keep it up!

Loving the progress. So neat looking!

LG thank you for making the Sexy Solarita even more sumptuous.

Great Job !

I think I might find some wall space for that pic now.

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Now that she has been colored, does the animation style remind any else of Stripperella ?

Crazy week of crazy for me.

Its going to be awhile before I can get anymore work done on the goblin queen picture. Sorry!

If anyone else wants to pick up on it feel free.

Added a little more work to this.

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