Great powerset for soloing from 1-50


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Preferably 0/+3 difficulty or more if possible at the earliest possible level.

I have a concept for a character that uses a Shield so shield defense would be great to have as the 2nd or primary powerset depending on the Archtype you guys think is better. Or is there something much better than SD?

I heard and have been reading about Brutes and they seem to be the best AT for melees to get.

I was thinking of SS/SD but I need what you guys think especially for those who has the same powersets.

Also, I wanted to have a hero character but was disappointed to find out that I could only get it through Tanker as SD/SS on the hero side and that means I would have to wait a lot more levels to get the best powers on the SS set. And I wasn't sure if that was just as good or better. But Brute is always fine by me.

Only reason I want a hero is so that I could finally have a hero character (most of my characters were Praetorians and one is villain) so that I could unlock the other epic archtypes but this is the least of my priority. I just want a melee character that can solo really well from 1-50 possibly at least 0/+3 (the more the better) difficulty.

Also, I'd rather not take Electric / SD. A friend already has that and I want to be different when we play together.

Thank you in advance.


 

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Originally Posted by Silvre View Post
Preferably 0/+3 difficulty or more if possible at the earliest possible level.

I have a concept for a character that uses a Shield so shield defense would be great to have as the 2nd or primary powerset depending on the Archtype you guys think is better. Or is there something much better than SD?
Forget about what might be better or worse, go with whatever you want to pick as your concept, you will probably enjoy it more that way. Shield Defense works with positional values, which can be softcapped with Weave and some set bonuses.

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I heard and have been reading about Brutes and they seem to be the best AT for melees to get.
Think of Scrappers and Tankers at different ends of a road (damage and survivability), with the Brute being a car in the middle. The Brute can adjust to being near or at Scrapper damage levels or near the Survivability of a Tanker depending on the team they are in.

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I was thinking of SS/SD but I need what you guys think especially for those who has the same powersets.
Two Shield Defense characters will be buffing each other with Phalanx Fighting and Grant Cover, which will be nice.

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Also, I wanted to have a hero character but was disappointed to find out that I could only get it through Tanker as SD/SS on the hero side and that means I would have to wait a lot more levels to get the best powers on the SS set. And I wasn't sure if that was just as good or better. But Brute is always fine by me.

Only reason I want a hero is so that I could finally have a hero character (most of my characters were Praetorians and one is villain) so that I could unlock the other epic archtypes but this is the least of my priority. I just want a melee character that can solo really well from 1-50 possibly at least 0/+3 (the more the better) difficulty.

Also, I'd rather not take Electric / SD. A friend already has that and I want to be different when we play together.

Thank you in advance.
If you have Going Rogue, at level 20, you can switch your Brute into a hero by doing five Rogue tips a day, five more the next day followed by a Morality tip mission, and then you can cross over into Paragon City. Repeat the process with hero tip missions, and you'll become a hero.

Or, start in Praetoria as a Brute and get to Paragon City that way, it's up to you.


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For great powerset combos for soloing from 1-50 pick any combination of:

Claws
Dual Blades
Kinetic Melee
War Mace

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Dark Armor
Fiery Aura
Willpower
Shield Defense

The abovementioned powersets are all early bloomers so you'll have a great experience right from the start. The other sets are merely "good", because they're a bit of a pain to get to lvl 30 or so - they don't get any AoE attacks until then (or at all), their defenses are relatively weak compared to the above until that point, etc.

I'd also recommend that you avoid Battle Axe (War Mace is just plain better), Electrical Melee (NOT for soloing), Energy Melee (no AoE and there are much better ST sets), Energy Aura (mostly has a bad rep but is a very late bloomer and a bit quirky) and Stone Armor (sloooooooow).


 

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You're gonna be dying for endurance on a SS/SD character until you can get some serious slotting done. After that it opens up into a strong combo. If you hate rage crash (and who doesn't) you can go DM, which is probably the best solo primary for /SD.


 

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Originally Posted by Exxar View Post
For great powerset combos for soloing from 1-50 pick any combination of:

Claws
Dual Blades
Kinetic Melee
War Mace

and

Dark Armor
Fiery Aura
Willpower
Shield Defense

The abovementioned powersets are all early bloomers so you'll have a great experience right from the start. The other sets are merely "good", because they're a bit of a pain to get to lvl 30 or so - they don't get any AoE attacks until then (or at all), their defenses are relatively weak compared to the above until that point, etc.

I'd also recommend that you avoid Battle Axe (War Mace is just plain better), Electrical Melee (NOT for soloing), Energy Melee (no AoE and there are much better ST sets), Energy Aura (mostly has a bad rep but is a very late bloomer and a bit quirky) and Stone Armor (sloooooooow).
Thanks everyone. After reading more about SS/SD, I decided not to go that route anymore since I have to have some serious slotting to make it work.

Kinetic melee caught my attention and I plan on pairing it with Fiery Melee. But reading around the Brute Forums, there's no guide for it on the guides section and I'm reading from people that it's the dual pistols version of brutes, meaning, it's the weakest of the power sets? Or did they do some updates on Kinetic Melee that made it good again?

Thank you again in advance.


 

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For the record, SS/SD is fantastic. But it drinks end, has kind of a malformed attack chain early on due to the recharge times on its ST attacks, and you won't have the best parts (stomp and charge) going full speed until the high 30s.

If all you want is a nice easy ride to 50, go with willpower. It's pretty survivable out of the box and and will keep your blue bar up basically no matter what you pair it with.

If you're set on /shield, I would pair it with dark melee. Gives you some healing and some end recovery powers and a nice ST chain early on.


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You're gonna be dying for endurance on a SS/SD character until you can get some serious slotting done. After that it opens up into a strong combo. If you hate rage crash (and who doesn't) you can go DM, which is probably the best solo primary for /SD.
Ditto on the DM. And OP if you do decide to go dm, Touch of Fear is a superb fear hold. Stack it with at least 2 accuracy and it will give you a "moment" during a boss fight up to +2. Otherwise place siphon life on auto and you'll have an instant heal in your attack chain.


 

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Claws in my opinion since you get spin so early.


 

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etc.

I'd also recommend that you avoid Battle Axe (War Mace is just plain better), Electrical Melee (NOT for soloing). [/QUOTE]

Lisa sits straight up in her chair, puts her cup of coffee down, and blinks.....Electrical Melee not for soloing....Exxar, is this why out of all the Scrapper and Brute primaries I like Elec Melee the least???

Whew.

I thought there was something very wrong with me because I dislike my Elec/Shield scrap

However..my fav secondary for soloing is not on your list.../elec..however, for me at least, it does take about 15 levels to find it's sealegs so I guess that is why it is not on your list

Lisa


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Originally Posted by Silvre View Post
Thanks everyone. After reading more about SS/SD, I decided not to go that route anymore since I have to have some serious slotting to make it work.

Kinetic melee caught my attention and I plan on pairing it with Fiery Melee. But reading around the Brute Forums, there's no guide for it on the guides section and I'm reading from people that it's the dual pistols version of brutes, meaning, it's the weakest of the power sets? Or did they do some updates on Kinetic Melee that made it good again?

Thank you again in advance.
I think, Kinetic Melee works best on Scrappers...I remember reading something about Brutes not critting???? Do a forum/Google search for it..something should come up.

Kin/Fire Scrappers are pretty awesome though. If you want to go the Kin/Fire route roll up a scrappy Scrapper

Lisa.


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You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try

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Claws
Dual Blades
Kinetic Melee
War Mace

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Dark Armor
Fiery Aura
Willpower
Shield Defense

So these are all great solo powersets? Most of them, except for Dark Armor, I'm interested in, not because I think it sucks, it's much more because I like cool effects and I don't like DA's visual effects. I'm going closer towards Kinetic Melee because it has the coolest animation (for me) out of all of them and Fiery Aura as secondary because it's like getting a free Aura early on.

But I'm not sure if I should go Scrapper or Brute, some people I talked to in game say it's better for Scrapper as a whole instead of Brute and it kinda makes sense in a way to me because there's no Kinetic guide on Brute Forum and I'm hearing it's a weak power set when it comes to Brute AT? Is this true about it being weak? It's important because I really plan on grouping with others once in a while especially end game and I don't want people pushing me aside because my powerset is weak.

I'm also thinking of War Mace / Shield Defense. A friend of mine lvled it on his character before and he said it's a good combination. He later decided to change to Elec / Shield because he wanted a much wider range of AoE attacks than War Mace.


 

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Fire Armor
Electric Melee

That's all.


 

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Lisa sits straight up in her chair, puts her cup of coffee down, and blinks.....Electrical Melee not for soloing....Exxar, is this why out of all the Scrapper and Brute primaries I like Elec Melee the least???

Whew.

I thought there was something very wrong with me because I dislike my Elec/Shield scrap :)
Well yeah, you practically don't have a ST attack chain :D. The only thing for which ElM/SD is worth solo is farming, and even then probably with no bosses (I admit the last bit is pure speculation on my part based on not having an effective ST chain, I don't have any ElM/SD toons).

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However..my fav secondary for soloing is not on your list.../elec..however, for me at least, it does take about 15 levels to find it's sealegs so I guess that is why it is not on your list :)
Mmmmm I love me some /ElA (my current favorite is a SS/ElA brute), but it really does take Tough and Energize to start shining.

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Claws
Dual Blades
Kinetic Melee
War Mace

and

Dark Armor
Fiery Aura
Willpower
Shield Defense

So these are all great solo powersets? Most of them, except for Dark Armor, I'm interested in, not because I think it sucks, it's much more because I like cool effects and I don't like DA's visual effects. I'm going closer towards Kinetic Melee because it has the coolest animation (for me) out of all of them and Fiery Aura as secondary because it's like getting a free Aura early on.
To be perfectly honest with you, you'll definitively have the smoothest and easiest time with Claws/Willpower, there's no discussion about it. Both sets are the earliest bloomers there are, and together they're just the easy mode of rampant carnage.

Other combinations also bloom early in comparison to those not on this list, but Claws and Willpower are the definite winners (with Dual Blades coming in as a veeeery close second after Claws, but only because its AoE at lvl 6 does less damage than that of Claws - Dual Blades have more AoE than Claws overall). So yeah, if you want the best experience all the way from lvl 1 to 50, I definitively suggest Claws/Willpower or Dual Blades/Willpower.

But don't let this deter you from Kinetic Melee if you like it. If you don't like a set, there's no reason to play it, just as there's no reason not to play a set that you like.

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Originally Posted by Silvre View Post
But I'm not sure if I should go Scrapper or Brute, some people I talked to in game say it's better for Scrapper as a whole instead of Brute and it kinda makes sense in a way to me because there's no Kinetic guide on Brute Forum and I'm hearing it's a weak power set when it comes to Brute AT? Is this true about it being weak? It's important because I really plan on grouping with others once in a while especially end game and I don't want people pushing me aside because my powerset is weak.
You won't get pushed aside for a weak powerset, no matter which powerset you have either as a Scrapper or Brute, as long as you don't play as a complete moron. Sure, people will look at you strangely if you pick Energy Aura or Energy melee, but they won't push you aside :)

Regarding the Brute/Scrapper dilemma. Brutes are more survivable than Scrappers, period. However, Scrappers do more damage than Brutes unless you play to your Brute's strengths, meaning keeping fury at or above 80+. There is more to it than that, of course, but its not something you should bash your head about as a new player. So in short - Scrappers do more damage and Brutes are more survivable (unless you're a pro Brute player har har).

But some sets plainly are better on Scrappers just like some plainly are better on Brutes. Invulnerability and Willpower are better on Brutes because they directly depend on your hit points, and Brutes have more of those. On the other hand, Dual Blades, Kinetic Melee and Shield Defense are better on Scrappers because of the way damage is calculated in this game. The same could possibly be said for Claws since they use the same damage mechanism as Dual Blades, but unlike Dual Blades Brute Claws have different base damage and recharge numbers than Scrapper Claws so it's kinda fuzzy.

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I'm also thinking of War Mace / Shield Defense. A friend of mine lvled it on his character before and he said it's a good combination.
WM/SD is awesome. It's a bit bumpy from about 20 to about 33, but awesome.

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He later decided to change to Elec / Shield because he wanted a much wider range of AoE attacks than War Mace.
Bad move. They both have the same range of AoE. ElM, however, is better in burst AoE damage which is important in farming and steamrolling in large teams. WM has a much more even AoE range though - all of its three AoEs are consistently good in their performance, while ElM's first one is nothing special and the other two are burst masters.


 

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Honestly, just about anything can be amazing on a Brute with the exception of Energy Melee and Energy Aura.

Here are some great soloers I've seen:

Fire/Fire (Burn it!)
Elec/Invul (Unstoppably shocking)
SS/Elec (Hits like a train, siphons endurance, never dies)
SS/Fire (Orange numbers everywhere)
Elec/Fire (It burns in two ways!)
Dark/Invul (Murky and iron solid)
Dark/Will (Regenerate, eliminate!)
Dark/Dark (Late bloomer, but a GOD of power; read my guide in my sig!)
DB/Will (Slash slash heal)
Mace/Fire (I call him the welder)
Claws/SR (the force fielded rotary saw)


My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

 

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Mace/Fire (I call him the welder)
I'd call him chef. Because he cooks the mobs so nicely with their behinds constantly on the Burn patch. Also makes pancakes with Clobber.


 

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You know, no one ever listed a dm/fire brute. And really is about as good as dm/invul. One because of soul drain + fire embrace + burn followed with smite, midnight grasp, siphon life, and shadow maul if you like. I've only ran a dm/invul brute to 50 before IO life. Burn is the beauty of fire armor and you can use this combo with brute or scrapper but I would go with brute for the shear surviving aspect.


 

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You know, no one ever listed a dm/fire brute. And really is about as good as dm/invul. One because of soul drain + fire embrace + burn followed with smite, midnight grasp, siphon life, and shadow maul if you like. I've only ran a dm/invul brute to 50 before IO life. Burn is the beauty of fire armor and you can use this combo with brute or scrapper but I would go with brute for the shear surviving aspect.
Actually there's a few reasons to pick Fire Armour on a Brute over a Scrapper.
  1. Better Fire Resistance since your cap goes higher
  2. Bigger Heals
  3. Fury playing better with your Damage Aura since the Scrapper version can't crit.
  4. Your Taunts (esp in your Damage Aura) playing better with Burn and morale breaks (things still try and flee Burn due to City of Cowards. Taunts make them reconsider their cowardly ways). Plus again Fury plays better with Burn because the scrapper version can't crit.
  5. Fire Embrace works WONDERFULLY with Fury, unlike most powers on a Brute which increase your damage, they tend to suffer from the low base damage Brutes have. FE works off your final damage figure


 

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Honestly, just about anything can be amazing on a Brute with the exception of Energy Melee and Energy Aura.
That makes my EM/EA Brute (Croco-gator) cry great big croco-gator tears.


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Actually there's a few reasons to pick Fire Armour on a Brute over a Scrapper.
  1. Better Fire Resistance since your cap goes higher
  2. Bigger Heals
  3. Fury playing better with your Damage Aura since the Scrapper version can't crit.
  4. Your Taunts (esp in your Damage Aura) playing better with Burn and morale breaks (things still try and flee Burn due to City of Cowards. Taunts make them reconsider their cowardly ways). Plus again Fury plays better with Burn because the scrapper version can't crit.
  5. Fire Embrace works WONDERFULLY with Fury, unlike most powers on a Brute which increase your damage, they tend to suffer from the low base damage Brutes have. FE works off your final damage figure

I agree totally and since its been since cov release since I've created a dm melee toon I may have to roll a dm/fire brute, see how it stacks with IO sets.