Best Damage Buffer
Can't really beat Kin/Sonic for multiplying team damage. The only issue is when you have another kin on the team, as kins don't really stack as well as other primaries.
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I was also considering Rad, or Ice... the damage from Ice Storm and Blizzard far out weighs sonic, but the -res from howl is very nice. Then I could also go for -res procs in the Rad powers but then thats only a chance for
Sooo........ What's going to be most effective? I'm planning on a flyer with ranged softcap.
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If you want to pile on -resistance, there's no better secondary than sonic blast. Radiation Blast may have more AoE damage, but the -res procs do not stack at all (even from multiple casters). You're better off using howl to increase the damage of your seven teammates even further.
If you want to pile on +damage, there's no better than kinetics.
I find the only problem with kinetics is that a second one becomes redundant. Damage cap is damage cap, and it's relatively easy to attain. I think you're better off with radiation emission, as you get some +damage from Accelerate Metabolism and you can add assault. Radiation brings many more tools to the table than kinetics.
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Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Kinetics
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Dark Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Transfusion -- Nictus-Heal(A), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(3), Nictus-Acc/Heal(3), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(5), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Heal(7)
Level 1: Shriek -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Scream -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Howl -- Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), HO:Centri(17), JavVoll-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(19), HO:Nucle(19), Range-I(31), Range-I(31)
Level 6: Hover -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(13)
Level 8: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(13), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), RedFtn-EndRdx(39), RedFtn-Def(40)
Level 12: Siphon Speed -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(33), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(15), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(40), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng/EndRdx(43)
Level 16: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 18: Shout -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 20: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(21), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23), RedFtn-Def(23), RedFtn-EndRdx(25)
Level 22: Amplify -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(25), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFtn-Def(29), RedFtn-EndRdx(29)
Level 26: Increase Density -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A)
Level 28: Speed Boost -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(39)
Level 30: Transference -- P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(A), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(36), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(37), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(37)
Level 32: Fulcrum Shift -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(34), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 35: Inertial Reduction -- Jump-I(A)
Level 38: Siphon Power -- Acc-I(A)
Level 41: Oppressive Gloom -- Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(A), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43), Stpfy-KB%(46), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(46), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(48), Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(50)
Level 44: Dark Consumption -- Acc-I(A)
Level 47: Soul Drain -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RechRdx-I(50), FotG-ResDeb%(50)
Level 49: Soul Transfer -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(45), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Numna-Heal(45), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(31)
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Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
I think Soul Drain is a bit excessive. You don't need any more damage buffs.
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I think Soul Drain is a bit excessive. You don't need any more damage buffs.
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I'd probably go Elec or Power mastery for the big hitting melee attack. PBU won't do a lot for you at all but Force of Nature might be interesting for a Kin too.
*Edit : Just saw your reason. Wouldn't going the Elec Route and getting Thunder Strike be a better option?
Yep, I'd agree with this. If you can't cap yourself with Fulc Shift and Siphon Power there's no hope for you
I'd probably go Elec or Power mastery for the big hitting melee attack. PBU won't do a lot for you at all but Force of Nature might be interesting for a Kin too. *Edit : Just saw your reason. Wouldn't going the Elec Route and getting Thunder Strike be a better option? |
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
Was trying to stay at Range as much as poss, but ye possibly as a kite thunderstrike may be nice, fast rech too, I forgot about that not being Single target.
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The big orange numbers will make it worthwhile
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Change of time scale, it wasn't that hard...
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Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Kinetics
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Electricity Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Transfusion -- Nictus-Heal(A), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(3), Nictus-Acc/Heal(3), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(5), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Theft-Acc/EndRdx/Heal(7)
Level 1: Shriek -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Scream -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 4: Howl -- Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), HO:Centri(17), JavVoll-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(19), HO:Nucle(19), Range-I(31), Range-I(31)
Level 6: Hover -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(13)
Level 8: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(13), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39), RedFtn-EndRdx(39), RedFtn-Def(40)
Level 12: Siphon Speed -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(33), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 14: Fly -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(15), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(40), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng/EndRdx(43)
Level 16: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 18: Shout -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 20: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(21), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(21), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23), RedFtn-Def(23), RedFtn-EndRdx(25)
Level 22: Amplify -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 24: Maneuvers -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(25), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFtn-Def(29), RedFtn-EndRdx(29)
Level 26: Increase Density -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A)
Level 28: Speed Boost -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(39)
Level 30: Transference -- P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(A), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(36), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(37), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(37)
Level 32: Fulcrum Shift -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(34), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 35: Inertial Reduction -- Jump-I(A)
Level 38: Siphon Power -- Acc-I(A)
Level 41: Thunder Strike -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), HO:Nucle(46), HO:Nucle(48), FotG-ResDeb%(50)
Level 44: Dreadful Wail -- HO:Nucle(A)
Level 47: Charged Armor -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48), RctvArm-ResDam(48), RctvArm-EndRdx(50), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Power Sink -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Heal/EndRdx(A), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(45), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Numna-Heal(45), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(31)
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Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
Looks like a fun build, I would reconsider electricity mastery though. Power sink is not needed and inferior to transference, thunder strike can be annoying if it kbs just a little too much; charged armour is good but let me just mention power mastery instead. Powerbuild up or conserve power (no slots), total focus (higher damage than thunder strike and no kb, with a stun to stack on bosses with screech) and force of nature that, with defender values, can cap all resistances but psi and Kin can easily manage the crash. Just my two cents. Kin/sonic is my favourite combo anyway so you can't really go wrong..!
Defiant EU
Quaver: Kinetics/Sonic Defender
Semiquaver: Sonic/Kinetics Corruptor
Looks like a fun build, I would reconsider electricity mastery though. Power sink is not needed and inferior to transference, thunder strike can be annoying if it kbs just a little too much; charged armour is good but let me just mention power mastery instead. Powerbuild up or conserve power (no slots), total focus (higher damage than thunder strike and no kb, with a stun to stack on bosses with screech) and force of nature that, with defender values, can cap all resistances but psi and Kin can easily manage the crash. Just my two cents. Kin/sonic is my favourite combo anyway so you can't really go wrong..!
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Ah okay. Well in that case your original dark mastery will, IMO, be more useful as soul drain will hit more with that proc. Yes the +damage is mostly overkill, but the +Tohit is useful and oppressive gloom is a reasonable power for /sonic. Thunder strike is also slower to activate and the aoe radius is very small.
Defiant EU
Quaver: Kinetics/Sonic Defender
Semiquaver: Sonic/Kinetics Corruptor
Thats what I was thinking :P is the Radius a flat circle around a character or is it a sphere? so if i was flying above it would still hit?
Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.
Ah okay. Well in that case your original dark mastery will, IMO, be more useful as soul drain will hit more with that proc. Yes the +damage is mostly overkill, but the +Tohit is useful and oppressive gloom is a reasonable power for /sonic. Thunder strike is also slower to activate and the aoe radius is very small.
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It's a flat circle, I believe. Trust me though, as kinetics you ARE going to be in melee range, so there's no point in trying to beat around it with combat jumping, or trying to foobar it with hover, or anything like that: Just run right next to the enemies and stand there. It's not as bad as you think (considering I used to do it all the time as a kin/rad. That was fun)
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I'd personally go in a different direction and go with Mace Mastery if you don't mind switching sides and running the patron arc. As a Kin you should be in melee often so S/L defense will help with this and it's pretty easy to softcap with Scorpion Shield. This will let you go after other set bonuses, mainly recharge. I know I couldn't live with just 15% global recharge without Hasten.
Also, I'd find a way to slot up Shriek. Shriek + Scream yields about the same DPS as Shout without factoring in the res debuffs.
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The main reason I would always choose soul drain over thunderstrike is because of what happens during animation. TS: slow period of not being able to do anything, SD: bizarre buggy period where enemies appear to not do anything for a split second, and then there's the shorter activation time for yourself. If you're dead set on that proc then soul drain seems to be more usable. You should have decent global recharge to have it up every 30 secs or so?
Defiant EU
Quaver: Kinetics/Sonic Defender
Semiquaver: Sonic/Kinetics Corruptor
Go for five decimations + apocalypse proc in shriek. It will wreck things.
Though ranged defence would definitely help, you will be in melee range every battle anyway, and drawing aggro with FS. You could do it all at range but then your melee teammates would miss that 50% guaranteed buff from you...and siren's song is usually more than enough to halt a ranged alpha. The Armageddon proc really is amazing in Shriek, as you will be spamming it for the short duration -res anyway.
Defiant EU
Quaver: Kinetics/Sonic Defender
Semiquaver: Sonic/Kinetics Corruptor
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To the original question - as has been said before, it's unquestionably Kin/Sonic and 2nd place is pretty far behind, for improving team damage. My own toon with this combo is my Lamborghini, fast and lots of raw horsepower. I actually do treat him like I would a Lambo, I don't take him out very often, just for special occasions (pace is insane, I'm honestly tired after a tf, plus I hate kinning for pugs so he plays with "friends and family" only). I wish I kept such stats, but I have no doubt his average completion time for tfs is higher than any of my other toons.
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I was thinking about making a toon to buff a team to extraordinary levels of damage... can anyone think of something that could better a Kinetic / Sonic, I think Damage cap, speedboosted along with a -res Cone should cover it, or is there a better way??
Ta... anything else btw that can increase this combo effectiveness, I was thinking -res proc from pvp set in a PbAoe power.
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