Crashing repeatedly, maybe level shift related.
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Ael Rhiana,
Posted on: 2011-02-01 13:30 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Going s-l-o-w-l-y.|
Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
Yeah, me too. Holy cow, what else is in there?
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Must be a lot of people trying to get the patch.
I'd be curious if any of the testing we've done has contributed to helping the devs fixing the issue or whether we should have just left them to it.
To be fair, I'm going to feel a little disappointed if the 30 mins or so I took out of playing to narrow down the problem wasn't productive for them (and would disincline me to troubleshoot on Live in future).
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Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
I'd be curious if any of the testing we've done has contributed to helping the devs fixing the issue or whether we should have just left them to it.
To be fair, I'm going to feel a little disappointed if the 30 mins or so I took out of playing to narrow down the problem wasn't productive for them (and would disincline me to troubleshoot on Live in future). |
Same here, was updating my test results on union chat as i went along so even if it didnt help them at all . . . . . at least we helped the players in finding out what powers NOT to use right?
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If nothing else, I'm guessing you posting this in public might have inclined them to publish a fix even faster... As soon as you can mapserve a map (rollback characters) with a specific power, you can do another very nasty thing.
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You know, I never thught of that till you just mentioned it here. Didn't think about dupin' rares!
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
If nothing else, I'm guessing you posting this in public might have inclined them to publish a fix even faster... As soon as you can mapserve a map (rollback characters) with a specific power, you can do another very nasty thing.
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Whether it helped the Devs out or not, we may never know. However, I was at my wits end tryijng to figure this out. I actually quit playing last night in disgust.|
Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
I'd be curious if any of the testing we've done has contributed to helping the devs fixing the issue or whether we should have just left them to it.
To be fair, I'm going to feel a little disappointed if the 30 mins or so I took out of playing to narrow down the problem wasn't productive for them (and would disincline me to troubleshoot on Live in future). |
So, even if the Devs weren't moved by the posts here, I AM, and I am also most appreciative of it! I did have it narrowed down to something with the bots before I logged, but I never got down to as much detail as everyone here did. Thank you!
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That's because you're not gone to the Americans! Dupin' Rares comes afterward.|
Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
You know, I never thught of that till you just mentioned it here. Didn't think about dupin' rares!
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And I personally thought of that particular thing but I doubt it was widespread.
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You say that, but I moved to the States at the end of last year |
Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
That's because you're not gone to the Americans! Dupin' Rares comes afterwards.
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I did thought that it was a GLOBAL mapserv because of that. But anyway, even with these rollbacks, I'm going to make another assumption that individual transactions, even if rolled back, are still logged. This would quickly root out anyone attempting to (excessively) dupe via thsese mapservs..
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Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
You know, I never thught of that till you just mentioned it here. Didn't think about dupin' rares!
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I see. I'm sorry you have to deal with our silly politicians then.|
Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
You say that, but I moved to the States at the end of last year
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You still play the EU server though right? Not American enough then!
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They really should have a forced save whenever a character interacts with a global source.|
Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
That's because you're not gone to the Americans! Dupin' Rares comes afterward.
And I personally thought of that particular thing but I doubt it was widespread. |
There's also the trouble of being able to grief. Just consider how much it would suck if someone decided yesterday that they wanted to chain crash IP.
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I thought of that too. True PvP >.> Crash RV= I win?
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They probably figured out the problem before we did, but we got it right: "it was because of a pet's pet inheriting the level shift attribmod".
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Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
I'd be curious if any of the testing we've done has contributed to helping the devs fixing the issue or whether we should have just left them to it.
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Not like someone wasn't chain-crashing Atlas Park (or at least it seemed that way).
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Originally Posted by reiella
They really should have a forced save whenever a character interacts with a global source.
There's also the trouble of being able to grief. Just consider how much it would suck if someone decided yesterday that they wanted to chain crash IP. |
So the Hotfix is happening, I wasn't really aware of all these problems. My client failed to update properly and now it just freezes after downloading the file manifest to try and repair my client. Is anyone else having these kind of problems or do I need to reinstall my original "Good vs Evil" and sit through ten issues of updates?
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This makes me curious how the heck are the people in i20 super secret NDA Beta testing Incarnate trials properly without level shift?|
Originally Posted by Leandro
They probably figured out the problem before we did, but we got it right: "it was because of a pet's pet inheriting the level shift attribmod".
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Is this is a case of oops we forgot to pull the entire level shift data when we made the strike pack patch?
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Well, they may not actually require Level Shifts to complete, so they may not be enabled. If they actually wanted to assure that they are completable without the level-shift, that wouldn't be too unusual. Although balance passes 'early' in the cycle are a bit odd. But perhaps just that they don't want to have to 'remove' them later either.|
Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
This makes me curious how the heck are the people in i20 super secret NDA Beta testing Incarnate trials properly without level shift?
Is this is a case of oops we forgot to pull the entire level shift data when we made the strike pack patch? |
Or as ya said, different code branch
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What sense would it make to test an issue without the core parts of it that it was building on top of? We've been told that i20 has Incarnate trials which offer another way to get the Notices. Logically one would assume they must be.. testing the usage of them?|
Originally Posted by reiella
Well, they may not actually require Level Shifts to complete, so they may not be enabled. If they actually wanted to assure that they are completable without the level-shift, that wouldn't be too unusual. Although balance passes 'early' in the cycle are a bit odd. But perhaps just that they don't want to have to 'remove' them later either.
Or as ya said, different code branch . |
In fact that is probably why the hotfix was so quick. They just had to rip more of i20's code
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I seriously doubt you could dupe items via a mapserv. Anything that had happened after the last time your character was saved would be wiped away, and presumably anything that saves an item somewhere (like loading a storage bin or making a market transaction) also saves your character... that would be a basic security feature I'd be amazed to see not implemented. So presumably you'd relog to just after the last thing you did that saved your character, which should include anything that adds or removes any item or inf from anywhere.|
Originally Posted by Master Zaprobo
You know, I never thught of that till you just mentioned it here. Didn't think about dupin' rares!
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(If the market server data is ever saved at different intervals than the character inventory, get coding on that... it's a potential source of not only duplicated items but also vanished ones.)
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True, but your view also has a flaw. What happens to the player on the other side who didn't mapserv? After all, he did buy the IO, and you can't just take it away.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
I seriously doubt you could dupe items via a mapserv. Anything that had happened after the last time your character was saved would be wiped away, and presumably anything that saves an item somewhere (like loading a storage bin or making a market transaction) also saves your character... that would be a basic security feature I'd be amazed to see not implemented. So presumably you'd relog to just after the last thing you did that saved your character, which should include anything that adds or removes any item or inf from anywhere.
(If the market server data is ever saved at different intervals than the character inventory, get coding on that... it's a potential source of not only duplicated items but also vanished ones.) |
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As long as putting an IO up for sale or collecting inf for a sale triggers a character save, he keeps the IO and the guy who mapserved comes back to find the sale price still at WWs, or still in his wallet if he collected it before the mapserv.|
Originally Posted by Signpost
True, but your view also has a flaw. What happens to the player on the other side who didn't mapserv? After all, he did buy the IO, and you can't just take it away.
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If using the market doesn't save a character, it could get messy. Which is why I assume using the market or trading directly to another player does in fact trigger an immediate save.
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I know that passing large insps doesn't. I can't confirm for anything else.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
As long as putting an IO up for sale or collecting inf for a sale triggers a character save, he keeps the IO and the guy who mapserved comes back to find the sale price still at WWs, or still in his wallet if he collected it before the mapserv.
If using the market doesn't save a character, it could get messy. Which is why I assume using the market or trading directly to another player does in fact trigger an immediate save. |
Certain pets are also crashing entire zones.
Creepers from the plant control set, at least on controllers, caused instant mapserves when used, even leading to an entire team losing connection. This was only with the rare incarnate enhancement slotted. Once unslotted there is no issue.
Hope this patch helps fix everyone's issues. I really love that controller...mmm, perma creepers, AM, and (almost) hasten.
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