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Originally Posted by War-Nugget
How you solo AVs?
If it is possible to do so with a Stone Melee brute? Also, how you calculate DPS .. I assume this will be something I would need to know  I say Stone Melee, because I haven't heard of someone soloing an AV with it. Seen videos of Dark Melee, and a couple other scrapper primaries doing as such but not much about Stone Melee. From my little knowledge of the subject, DM is capable because of the self-heal and maybe the debuffs? So again, how would you solo an AV with Stone Melee? (With temps, and insps.) |
1. Go get the Shivan shard temp power from bloody bay
2. Go grab a Warburg rocket or 3.
3. Fight your way to your AV of choice.
4. Summon the Shivan
5. Drop the nuke(s)
6. Yawn while the Shivan kills the AV, maybe get bored and throw a Seismic Smash out there to feel useful .
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The ingame numbers should actually tell you DPS, mids is also a great way to find out. But DPS is damage/recharge+activation time, thats just for a specific power though. To figure out your ACTUAL DPS is a bit more complex (teh uber maths the likes of only Bill Z would figure out) or takes a bit of time. Ingame you can fight a pylon in RWZ timing how long it takes for you to kill it. Then just do hp/seconds it took for you to kill it, that should be your dps (i think, i REALLY suck at math) If you cant kill it you prolly cant kill most AVs.
Edit: i THINK pylons have a 50% res all but psi. so DPS against something with 0% Smash res would be (hp/seconds it took for you to kill it)x2
If that is all compeletly wrong, im sorry im kind of sleepy >.<
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SM has the DPS to solo AVs without insps or temps (same can be said of every Brute primary, but SM is actually one of the top contenders for ST DPS).
joebartender already highlighted the completely overkill way to solo AVs 
. If you want something more reasonable that doesn't require wasting thirty minutes to go grab nukes and shivans, the easiest/cheapest way to get a lot out of insps/temps is to buy the envenomed dagger at the market and craft it, possibly also the temp recovery buff if you have end issues, along with a mix of purple and red small inspirations that you buy at vendor (and use a mix of these as to keep the AV floored, which can be just 45% def but will sometimes be more if the AV has tohitbuffs/defense debuffs). With that setup you shouldn't need to build a specific way, just spam attacks in whatever order, envenomed dagger every 5 seconds or so, and most AVs should drop dead fast.
Two few randoms nitpicks : the debuffs don't play a role in DM soloing AVs as tohitdebuffs are heavily resisted by AVs to the point of being negligible. As for pylons, they have about 25% res and you can see the way to calculate DPS based on your time in the scrapper forum topic about it.
It's correct to say the heal plays a big part in DM's AV soloability and it's safe to assume you won't be able to solo many AVs without insps temps if you can't take out a pylon.
Neat!
I for one know zilch when it comes to the mechanics on AV-soloing..
Will have to check out the scrapper topic some more, figure out how to calculate this sorta stuff..
Is there certain secondaries that make AV-soloing easier? Completely thinking: Softcapped Smash/Lethal is a must for any test like this, maybe high recovery from Willpower or layer defenses from Invulnerability?
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It will probably be easiest with SR, Shield, Invuln, and WP. Softcapped S/L defense won't help against AVs like Mother Mayhem or Malaise, or any AV that fires pure energy damage attacks (like Synapse or Positron), so you will want either lots of positional defense, or a good amount of defense across the board. |
Originally Posted by War-Nugget
Neat!
I for one know zilch when it comes to the mechanics on AV-soloing.. Will have to check out the scrapper topic some more, figure out how to calculate this sorta stuff.. Is there certain secondaries that make AV-soloing easier? Completely thinking: Softcapped Smash/Lethal is a must for any test like this, maybe high recovery from Willpower or layer defenses from Invulnerability? |
Basically, you only need 2 things to solo an AV with any AT: Enough damage to kill it, and the ability to survive the fight.
Stone Melee has enough damage, and the 4 secondaries I listed can be built to survive the fight relatively easier than the rest.
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One quick thing to add to what Claws said; surrounding yourself with trivial bad guys also helps you out. Of the 4 secondaries Claws suggested, /SR benefits the least from this, but there is still some small benefit in the form of additional Fury generation (though it's much less of a benefit than it was prior to the Fury changes).
With /SD, you get extra damage; with /WP, you get extra Regen; and with /Inv, you get extra Defense (though in many cases, this might be overkill, it could help out with Def deBuffing AVs).
Some of the AV soling specialists have 4 things they consider as the "recipe" for any build:
1. Softcapped defenses
2. enough damage to overcome regeneration AFTER any resistance your chosen AV might have, for instance don't bring axe against Siege and expect to be doing full damage. 150+ is sometimes given as a good baseline. Most AVs heal 94+hp/sec.
3. enough endurance to run your top attack chain for 5-10 minutes straight with no pauses
4. a heal, whether it be aid self or dull pain or anything you might have access to.
on the S/L vs positional, that is 100% up to your choice of enemy. No build can defeat everything in the game. Diabolique is famous for not being soloable by melee types. The record is 9 simultaneous developer created AVs at once defeated by a Dark Melee/Invulnerability scrapper. All of them had primarily S/L attacks. So pick and choose your enemies based on your strengths.
/SR is famous for being easy to softcap inexpensively. /Inv is also very solid especially if you stick to S/L enemies (mynx, marauder, babs, etc).
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Will roll a SM/WP or Inv during double exp then, start leveling it 
then I guess when I hit 50 with him, figure out how to make an optimal build..
Maybe Inv .. would seem a self-heal is a smart choice
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If you're using temps it doesn't matter what build/powersets/AT you are, since with Shivans and nukes even a DB/Dark Stalker can solo an AV
Yes.. but if I was to make a build for doing it without, it would be a good idea to know a viable power set combo, no?
@War-Nugget
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Yes, and neither Brute nor Scrappers are the best choices for it.
No, but the only ATs that have access to Stone Melee are brutes and tanks. And I was asking if Stone Melee could solo an AV..
@War-Nugget
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You were also asking if you could do it with temps
Bah 
Oh well, I got my answers + moar. Thanks again
@War-Nugget
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Nitpick: Positional defenses won't help with Malaise either, he seems to use non-positional attacks; you need psychic defenses for him.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
It will probably be easiest with SR, Shield, Invuln, and WP. Softcapped S/L defense won't help against AVs like Mother Mayhem or Malaise, or any AV that fires pure energy damage attacks (like Synapse or Positron), so you will want either lots of positional defense, or a good amount of defense across the board.
Basically, you only need 2 things to solo an AV with any AT: Enough damage to kill it, and the ability to survive the fight. Stone Melee has enough damage, and the 4 secondaries I listed can be built to survive the fight relatively easier than the rest. |
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Don't forget the endurance recovery to sustain that damage through a 10-20 minute fight
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Basically, you only need 2 things to solo an AV with any AT: Enough damage to kill it, and the ability to survive the fight.
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Eh, that goes with surviving. I know if I run out of endurance, I'm not going to be able to survive the fight any longer without popping a blue.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Don't forget the endurance recovery to sustain that damage through a 10-20 minute fight
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How you solo AVs?
If it is possible to do so with a Stone Melee brute?
Also, how you calculate DPS .. I assume this will be something I would need to know
I say Stone Melee, because I haven't heard of someone soloing an AV with it.
Seen videos of Dark Melee, and a couple other scrapper primaries doing as such but not much about Stone Melee.
From my little knowledge of the subject, DM is capable because of the self-heal and maybe the debuffs?
So again, how would you solo an AV with Stone Melee? (With temps, and insps.)