Star-signs change... apparently.


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What's all this talk of targeting and blowing up planets?

You really want to get rid of a problem, you go all Doc Smith on their posteriors and blow up their galaxy.


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Would those be the plans that are so easily stolen?

The whole security layout of the place is so totally weak:

1 - The door to the control room overlooking the docking bay should have some kind of code, or eye/hand scanner, so only genuine members of staff can enter.

2 - Prisoner escorts shouldn't just be able to wander through the place without getting clearance to access the areas closer to the detenion area.

3 - Again, the door to the detention area should have some kind of codes/scans - or there should be a holding area outside where prisoner escorts hand over their priosners to the detention block staff, so only those who work there are actually allowed in.

4 - There should be a nearby guardroom that can deploy extra security if someone manages to break into the detention area control room, rather than just having the place watched with ineffective security cameras.

5 - There are only 2 sets of doors between prisoners and access to the rest of the station - and the cell corridor is in line with the exit, meaning that anyone who escapes can see the way out right away.

6 - There shouldn't be a garbage chute that close to the detention block - or if there really has to be one there, it should have much smaller openings in it so no human sized objects can enter it.

7 - There should be security cameras in the garbage compactor, and the maintenance door should be guarded and/or protected by codes/scans.

8 - The tractor beam control area should be in a large, well-lit room that's staffed at all times, and any attempt to shut it off should require clearance from at least 2 other people in the chain of command.

The whole design of the station is flawed, but it's made worse by the sloppy and incompetent way it's run - the entire security set up can be outwitted by 3 men, 2 droids and a large humanoid, who can then run rings around the inept response to the security breach using the poorly designed layout of the station and escape with an extremly valuable political prisoner.
The Death Star's own size is it's own worst enemy (besides the small thermal exhaust port of course). A station the size of a planet is just too big to be effectively run by a station commander and his Sith Lord partner.

As Luke stated to the Emperor in ROTJ "Your overconfidence is your weakness" and he was right. The Death Stars were truly greatest sign of the Emperor's overconfidence in his power, that he had Vader firmly under control, that the galaxy was his, and that he could easily annihilate all resistance.


 

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"Weird Al" predicted this!


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>_> you're a bit late with that one BBM.


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My horoscope did say I would be slowed today.


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The Death Star's own size is it's own worst enemy (besides the small thermal exhaust port of course). A station the size of a planet is just too big to be effectively run by a station commander and his Sith Lord partner.
But that still doesn't excuse the incompetence of the security set-up - the size of the station doesn't mean the detention block has to off Zig-levels of prisoner confinement
In fact, the size of the station should make that kind of rescue harder not easier - like why keep valuable political prisoners in cells that are only a few yards down an open corridor from the door out of the detention block? If the station is several miles wide, then put the cells at the end of a mile long corridor that's broken down into separate sections that each need high level clearance to access, and have a different prisoner escort group for each section, with guard rooms full of response squads in each section as well.
Plus, the cell doors should have some kind of lock on them, not just be opened with the push of a button.

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As Luke stated to the Emperor in ROTJ "Your overconfidence is your weakness" and he was right. The Death Stars were truly greatest sign of the Emperor's overconfidence in his power, that he had Vader firmly under control, that the galaxy was his, and that he could easily annihilate all resistance.
That's a fault with all evil overlords, not just Sith


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That's a fault with all evil overlords, not just Sith
Eh, Palpatine at least had something to brag about. He conquered an entire galaxy in a lifetime. Evil or not... that is impressive. Most impressive.

His fault was much simpler: Lack of interpersonal pattern recognition. To turn Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader, he exploited Anakin's fear of losing his family. As evil mastermind plans go, this is a pretty good one. It worked, too. However, if this is the plan you're going with, you probably should not have Vader in the same room as you torture his son to death with magical lightning. Especially if the kid was to cry out to his father for help. Vader might not take that very well. Turns out, he didn't.

In retrospect, the bottomless pits in the throne room probably should have been covered, but I guess it's one of the places you can save credits when building a moon-sized battle station.


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In retrospect, the bottomless pits in the throne room probably should have been covered, but I guess it's one of the places you can save credits when building a moon-sized battle station.
Pfft. Think less "Bottomless pit" and more "I'm super-powerful sith and this is the world (well, moon-size-battle-station's) biggest bungie jump!"

After all, who needs stretchy cord when you've got gravity to (hopefully) slow you down before you hit the other side?


 

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But that still doesn't excuse the incompetence of the security set-up - the size of the station doesn't mean the detention block has to off Zig-levels of prisoner confinement
In fact, the size of the station should make that kind of rescue harder not easier - like why keep valuable political prisoners in cells that are only a few yards down an open corridor from the door out of the detention block? If the station is several miles wide, then put the cells at the end of a mile long corridor that's broken down into separate sections that each need high level clearance to access, and have a different prisoner escort group for each section, with guard rooms full of response squads in each section as well.
Plus, the cell doors should have some kind of lock on them, not just be opened with the push of a button.



That's a fault with all evil overlords, not just Sith
To me the Death Star's defy a few laws of probability and physics, but that's a different topic. Regarding the detention blocks, two things come to mind

1. When they were building the thing, I suspect the focus was on the planet destroying super laser more then the location and design of the detention blocks. Also over confidence likely kept them from thinking that anyone would sneak aboard much less make a run for the detention blocks.

2. As to the push of a button to open the door, the thought behind that was likely "The lock is on the outside, not the inside and the person is on a planet sized battle station, even if they got out where would they go?"

Now IF the Empire still created clone troopers, albeit from a new template since Jango was Highlandered by Mace Windu, then they could have better staffed the security forces on the Death Star, OR if they used trade federation droids left from the war to help bolster security that would have helped too.

As it was, it was a combination of luck, storm trooper incompetence since they clearly weren't Jango clones, and Tarkin and Vader allowing them to escape. Even when I first saw Star Wars back in the day I thought that four tie fighters sent to get the Falcon was a bit weak. Nice laser fight, but that station should easily have dispatched several squadrons.


 

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1. When they were building the thing, I suspect the focus was on the planet destroying super laser more then the location and design of the detention blocks. Also over confidence likely kept them from thinking that anyone would sneak aboard much less make a run for the detention blocks.
That's very male planning - focus only on making the biggest possible weapon, and then sort out the details later

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2. As to the push of a button to open the door, the thought behind that was likely "The lock is on the outside, not the inside and the person is on a planet sized battle station, even if they got out where would they go?"
The garbage chute with human-sized openings that you've just built right beside the cell doors?


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That's very male planning - focus only on making the biggest possible weapon, and then sort out the details later
But the design of the Death Star is very yonic. If it were designed by a male, it would have had a huge gun barrel sticking out of its side.

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The garbage chute with human-sized openings that you've just built right beside the cell doors?
That, I totally believe. After you've force-choked a prisoner to death, you want to dispose of the body as conveniently as possible.


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But the design of the Death Star is very yonic. If it were designed by a male, it would have had a huge gun barrel sticking out of its side.
Bingo. The SSD Executor was designed by a man while the Death Star was obviously designed by a woman. Just think about it. Only a woman would make guys fly down a long trench to get to the GG spot that makes the ship go boom.


 

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But the design of the Death Star is very yonic. If it were designed by a male, it would have had a huge gun barrel sticking out of its side.
I think it probably started out as just a ginormous gun, but then they realized that they needs some stuff around it

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That, I totally believe. After you've force-choked a prisoner to death, you want to dispose of the body as conveniently as possible.
Why not make the opening smaller then, so that the body could only be put in if it was cut in half with a lightsabre?


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Eh, Palpatine at least had something to brag about. He conquered an entire galaxy in a lifetime. Evil or not... that is impressive. Most impressive.

His fault was much simpler: Lack of interpersonal pattern recognition. To turn Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader, he exploited Anakin's fear of losing his family. As evil mastermind plans go, this is a pretty good one. It worked, too. However, if this is the plan you're going with, you probably should not have Vader in the same room as you torture his son to death with magical lightning. Especially if the kid was to cry out to his father for help. Vader might not take that very well. Turns out, he didn't.

In retrospect, the bottomless pits in the throne room probably should have been covered, but I guess it's one of the places you can save credits when building a moon-sized battle station.
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Should I still be looking out for new opportunitites?


 

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