already in game. They're called Purples, and there is no need for extra defence/resistance, we have plenty as is.
http://www.scene-and-heard.com/cov/covsig.jpg
Quote:
Purples -are- Very Rare IO's. Oranges are Rares, Yellow Uncommon and White Common.|
Originally Posted by Scene_EU
already in game. They're called Purples, and there is no need for extra defence/resistance, we have plenty as is.
|
What the opening poster is asking for is more Very Rare/Purple IO's for the sets that don't have them, like Healing, Defence, Resistance, Fear, so forth.
wow I completely misread the OP, my apologies - coffee hadn't kicked in at the time.
Now that I have read it correctly, I think the only power that would probably benefit from having a purple set would be Fear.
As Resistance and Defence get capped so easily, having a purple set would be kind of pointless imo. For example there would be no need to 5 slot defence for the 10% rech when 1 LOTG can do just as well, and there are quite a few decent set bonuses on both def & res sets that are close to what a purple set would offer.
Heal has its own very rare set anyway - Panacea.
http://www.scene-and-heard.com/cov/covsig.jpg
Quote:
No it doe-|
Originally Posted by Scene_EU
wow I completely misread the OP, my apologies - coffee hadn't kicked in at the time.
Now that I have read it correctly, I think the only power that would probably benefit from having a purple set would be Fear. As Resistance and Defence get capped so easily, having a purple set would be kind of pointless imo. Heal has its own very rare set anyway - Pancea |
OH. You mean PvP IOs. Pft, what, you actually believe they exist? How much've you had to drink, man? Maybe you should lie down for a bit.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
 |
Quote:
you spiked my coffee!!!
|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
No it doe-
OH. You mean PvP IOs. Pft, what, you actually believe they exist? How much've you had to drink, man? Maybe you should lie down for a bit. |
http://www.scene-and-heard.com/cov/covsig.jpg
Quote:
Well, what do you expect? I'm EVIL!
|
Originally Posted by Scene_EU
you spiked my coffee!!!
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
|
Quote:
I'm sure some of the players that picked up Concealment to mule LotG's global when fitness went inherent would love to have the option to 5 slot a defense power for another 10% recharge. Also, don't forget Purple's set bonuses don't turn off due to exemping like less rare set's do.
|
Originally Posted by Scene_EU
As Resistance and Defence get capped so easily, having a purple set would be kind of pointless imo. For example there would be no need to 5 slot defence for the 10% rech when 1 LOTG can do just as well, and there are quite a few decent set bonuses on both def & res sets that are close to what a purple set would offer.
|
And whose to say the new 'purples' in the event we actually get them, will offer the same bonuses as the current purples? Look at the pet purple set right now, it offers completely different bonuses then the usual ones.
Quote:
Which is probably why it sucks so much.|
Originally Posted by Arbegla
And whose to say the new 'purples' in the event we actually get them, will offer the same bonuses as the current purples? Look at the pet purple set right now, it offers completely different bonuses then the usual ones.
|
BU to MM attacks? Ok, mildly useful these days. I have the Gaussian one on Alpha, but THAT set six slotted gives +2.5 defence to ALL positionals and +1.5 to all environmental.
Blood Mandate, now, has a 3.75% to AoE AND Ranged Defence, along with good numbers. Much more useful for an MM, usually. Certainly more useful than the pitiful mez resistance given by Sovereign Right. Soulbound has a +4% dam buff (again, this is on an MM, and I don't think that transfers to the pets(?)) While normal Purples (confusion aside) buff Acc by 15% (useful) and Recharge by 10% (very useful)
The pet purples tend to sell for a pittance compated to the others, while Blood Mandate is highly sought after. Theres a reason for that.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
|
Don't think of the purple pet set in MM terms.. think of it in Controller/Dominator terms.
BU for fire imps,or any other controller pet, aside from maybe singy? Yes please.
4% damage for dominators, on the cheap? Definitely.
with res and def it really comes down to what kind of tank/brute/scrapper/stalker you have.
for example my invul tank caps smashing/lethal res really easily but all the rest of the damage types are left with poor stats around 33% for all and 0 for psionic.
and the DEF on a invul is really poor, even with combat jumping and weave.
I'd love to see superior resistance and defense sets that could actually give me some bonuses that could help me tank recluse without 3 large purple insp and a large orange on at all times.
also, the question comes, what should the UNIQUE Resistance IO do? and how about the UNIQUE defense?
I was thinking they should add an extra 10%res (for the resistance one) and 10% def (for the defense one) on all damage types that aren't already capped.
Eh, i'd like to see your build before you say defense on a invuln is really poor. You can softcap lethal/smash pretty easily with 1 person in range of invincibility, and with your already pretty high resistance, tanking on an invuln is pretty easy.
Keep in mind the most resistance or defense they have given us for 1 IO is 3% (the pvp offers a 3% resistance unique, and both steadfast, and a PvP IO offer 3% defense) So, you may be able to get another 3% resistance unqiue in the mix, but i'd think something along the lines of a defense BU. Like a mini mog proc would work, say a 5% chance to add 25% def and 30% resistance for 5 seconds, that way it's not always active, but can be up enough to work out. Even in a toggle having a chance to proc every 10 seconds, with a 5 second duration it wouldnt be perma at all.
Please no more new purple recipes or PvP recipes. Everytime one purple or PvP recipe is marketted, 20 pandas are slaughtered. Please, think of the pandas.
More defense IOs in game? I'm voting no. There are too many of them in game now. And as for the other one, there are not enough and should be rare or yellow at best if there are any new ones.
And you should really look at the build guides in the tanker sub thread for help on fixing our /INV tankers. You may not have build to the best you can.
Defence...bad on Invul....
Ok, NOW I've heard it all.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
|
I'd love to see a purple heal set, fear set, and endmod set. Not defense. Already too easy to softcap.
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
again it depends on your character.
if you want the raw defense numbers I could log-on and get them, but I'll say this instead, they are around 19%
Res on invul is really good, but 19% def is poor when you step-up to most AVs
needs to be around 75% to not get slaughtered by recluse. do i have a point?
secondly 10% res and def extra isn't much,thats why I suggested it. it's not outlandish, it's not even close to being unfair. also we are talking a purple recipie, not an orange so yeah it's gonna be higher by a decent amount to make it worth the extra rarity.
3rdly, there are alot of UNUSED def and res IO sets, if you;re concerned about how many there are, lets get rid of some of the useless ones from the game and replace them with a purple.
also I vote yes on healing Purples, and End Mod purples.
Quote:
What does softcapping have to do with a purple set for defense?|
Originally Posted by Sardan
I'd love to see a purple heal set, fear set, and endmod set. Not defense. Already too easy to softcap.
|
The enhancements would still be limited to enhancing the power like any other set, the only difference would be the purple set's bonuses would work when exemped to level 1.
Or do you really think a purple set (which could only be slotted into 1 power, as all purples are unique, would actually push the power into 1000% enhancement to defense? o.O
BrandX Future Staff Fighter
The BrandX Collection
Quote:
No, purple enhancements don't enhance powers "like any other set". They have higher enhancement values than other IOs. Given that there are already so many means to buff defense, my concern was that it wouldn't be good for game balance to pile more on by making a new superior enhancement set available.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
What does softcapping have to do with a purple set for defense?
The enhancements would still be limited to enhancing the power like any other set, the only difference would be the purple set's bonuses would work when exemped to level 1. |
Quote:
| Or do you really think a purple set (which could only be slotted into 1 power, as all purples are unique, would actually push the power into 1000% enhancement to defense? o.O |
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
Quote:
You have no point at all. I have seen many an invuln tank Recluse with no problem. And the soft cap for def is 45%. That is all that is needed. In fact, all you need to tank Recluse with an invuln is the help of an emp. Use mids and plan a build before sinking infl into a build that is sub par for what you want to do.
|
Originally Posted by JoshexDirad
again it depends on your character.
if you want the raw defense numbers I could log-on and get them, but I'll say this instead, they are around 19% Res on invul is really good, but 19% def is poor when you step-up to most AVs needs to be around 75% to not get slaughtered by recluse. do i have a point? secondly 10% res and def extra isn't much,thats why I suggested it. it's not outlandish, it's not even close to being unfair. also we are talking a purple recipie, not an orange so yeah it's gonna be higher by a decent amount to make it worth the extra rarity. 3rdly, there are alot of UNUSED def and res IO sets, if you;re concerned about how many there are, lets get rid of some of the useless ones from the game and replace them with a purple. also I vote yes on healing Purples, and End Mod purples. |
Quote:
*Never* suggest getting rid of sets. You may find some set useless, someone else may love using it for frankenslotting or building around some other "useless" set of values. |
Originally Posted by JoshexDirad
3rdly, there are alot of UNUSED def and res IO sets, if you;re concerned about how many there are, lets get rid of some of the useless ones from the game and replace them with a purple.
|
I do think some of these need to be moved out of the drop pools and just made outright purchasable, though. Some of the original sets, especially, are just broken in their design AS a set. (Executioner's Contract comes to mind. Damage in every piece, but nothing else is represented more than once throughout the set.)
Quote:
Ya know, your suggestions are getting worse and worse. Invulnerability is one of the premier powersets in the game for Tankers, and definitely a top choice if I want to take on Lord Recluse. 10% extra res and def is HUGE, it's three times what the best sets in the game give. And getting rid of the cheaper IO sets to add a purple set in the same category might make the jaded super-rich smile, but nobody else will be smiling.
|
Originally Posted by JoshexDirad
again it depends on your character.
if you want the raw defense numbers I could log-on and get them, but I'll say this instead, they are around 19% Res on invul is really good, but 19% def is poor when you step-up to most AVs needs to be around 75% to not get slaughtered by recluse. do i have a point? secondly 10% res and def extra isn't much,thats why I suggested it. it's not outlandish, it's not even close to being unfair. also we are talking a purple recipie, not an orange so yeah it's gonna be higher by a decent amount to make it worth the extra rarity. 3rdly, there are alot of UNUSED def and res IO sets, if you;re concerned about how many there are, lets get rid of some of the useless ones from the game and replace them with a purple. |
If we are to die, let us die like men. -- Patrick Cleburne
----------------------------------------------------------
The rule is that they must be loved. --Jayne Fynes-Clinton, Death of an Abandoned Dog
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sardan
No, purple enhancements don't enhance powers "like any other set". They have higher enhancement values than other IOs. Given that there are already so many means to buff defense, my concern was that it wouldn't be good for game balance to pile more on by making a new superior enhancement set available.
I don't know where you get your "1000%" number from. The softcap for defense is 45%. |
Purples do any enhance powers like any other set, because it is still limited by ED. It doesn't matter if the set offers 150% def enhancement value, because ED will still knock that down to 60%, or around there.
The only real difference is that purple set bonuses work at all levels, so the exemplar rules don't apply.
For defense and resistance, I'd probably think about rolling both category into one set so the powers that do both have a solid (yet super rare and expensive) set to look to as an option with frankenslotting being the other.
For a unique, how about one that provides resistance to defense, regen and rech debuffs?
ok you probably noticed the certain things don't have (superior) IO sets, for example resistance and defense.
I myself would like to request that these sets be made. I'd like to eventually see 1 (superior) type set for power aspect.
what does everyone else say?