Debuffing Scrapper

I was just wondering which powerset combo would produce the most debuffing scrapper.

I think this could be good to work with from a concept standpoint, as well as being useful to survivability for both the player and team. Someone who was sort of a negator of power, things like -tohit, -defense, -end, -dmg etc.

Any thoughts?

-HP is a debuff. Dead things don't hurt you.

But seriously, either kin or dark would probably your best bet.

-Defense is a terrible attribute to have in a power that requires a tohit check. You also can't do enough -end and -recovery on your own to make a difference, so I'd shy away from that.

Quick shot: does not exist

Long shot: okay, if you really want to try and make a scrapper that does some kind of debuff, I'm not really sure you understand the concept of scrappers.

While some scrapper sets offer off-set debuffs, slotting those sets for debuffs will leave you critically weak in the area that matters most for scrappers: DAMAGE

For example, Dark Melee takes to-hit debuffs on some powers, and Spines takes slow on some powers. If you slot those out to where they'll actually have an effect... you'll use up valuable slots that should be used for Damage.

Now, if you want to get really tacky and don't mind playing the Random Number Generator for laughs, the Claws, Broadsword, Dual Blades, and Katana sets offer defense debuffs as secondary effects. The Achilles' Heel Resistance debuff proc is not flagged as unique in the game: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Achilles...istance_Debuff

You could, in theory, toss a chance for resistance debuff in every single power that offers a defense debuff, and then hope that the proc actually activates often enough to do something for a team.

You'd be better off making a Tank and working the Bruising instead.

Actually, you'd be better off with a Tank or Brute to begin with if you want to debuff. They get stuff like:

• Darkest Night which is a Toggle To-Hit debuff and minus damage debuff
• Melt Armor which does resistance and defense debuff
• Arctic Breath which does resistance defense debuff with added slow debuff
• Shiver which is a massive slow
• Ice Storm which should be tagged with do I have to explain?
• quicksand which is a defense debuff and contains movement debuffs

• Melt armor on a tank does -7% defense and -9.75% resistance
• Darkest Night does -21% Damage Resistance and -10.5% to-hit

• Melt Armor on a Mastermind does -15% defense and -22.5% resistance
• Melt Armor on a Controller / Corruptor does -20% defense and -22.5% resistance
• Darkest Night on a Mastermind does -22.5% Damage debuff and -11.5% to-hit
• Darkest Night on a Corruptor does -30% Damage and -15% to-hit

Kin Melee! -DMG! And does good damage too with added stuns and knockdown.

Thanks for the responses. I thought it might be possible with some arcane mix of stuff, but it's perfectly fine if it doesn't really exist.

A top Katana attack chain with both the Achilles' Heel proc and the Fury of The Gladiator proc, can pump out pretty consistent -res(like -20% on average).

A dark/dark/soul BRUTE can easily floor the accuracy of pretty much anything not an AV in short order. It's like softcapping your defenses (against a single target) - and darkest night helps the entire team. Four dark watchers in darkest night even gets you a recharge bonus and best of all none of the dark powers need to be slotted with -toHit (not even touch of fear - though if you have some slots to spare it certainly helps) so you don't harm your damage output.

Plus you have access to a fear aura (with more -toHit) and/or a stun aura. Back when I first started playing (about a year before my registration date) my first brute was a dark/dark and my supergroup leader remarked after teaming with me that I was like a 'spooky floating mez bomb that tears bosses faces off'. The added powers to soul mastery just made it better. It can be fun.

Practical in the modern game? Not so much. On a large team you probably have people that do it better. With IOs even squishies can have a decent amount of defense. Still fun to be a 'brufender' from time to time? Yes.

The best I have ever seen is Dark/Dark on a scrapper. But after thinking about Darkest Night, I agree with the previous poster that a Dark/Dark Brute would debuff more easily and consistently against more enemies than any other combination out there.

Fair Warning though: Dark Armor is NOT a great set on just SOs. This set really starts to shine once it starts taking on IO set bonuses. Once you have a fully IOed build, like Dechs says; "Dark Armor SUCKS!".

you CAN tank anything.

Do knockdowns count as a debuff? They effectively cause -damage. Electric/Shield Scrappers can do a good deal of knockdowns to prevent enemies from attacking. Besides preventing damage, the only other debuff that is useful in most situations is -resistance. That is only available as a proc and only if you have -defense powers like Katana. To be clear, -defense is almost never useful because you will likely have capped hit chance with a decent build anyways.

On Primaries katana and Broad Sword

Katana provides -defense then you add the Achilles heal proc in gamblers cut and get some -resistance and Broad sword equivalent attack

Dark Melee has -tohit

Claws and DB each have one attack that does -def and can also has the -res proc possibility in those attacks

Kinetic has -dmg

Martial arts has one attack with a -fly -spd and -def in one attack no -resistance proc allowed

Spines -spd -recharge

Elec -end

Secondaries

DA = COF -tohit

Elec = -end Damage aura and Power sink

Shield = -dmg in AAO

WP = -tohit in RTTC

It feels like with the DM changes that improved the DPS of the set, people forgot how good Touch of Fear is. It fears a badguy (a pseudo hold), decreases their tohit by 15% (stackable) and recharges very quickly so you can apply it many times to a target, or spread it around to control 3-4 baddies at once. It's more of a low level solo trick then something you'd use at level 50, but its plenty powerful.

Dark Melee/Electric Armor could be a potent debuffer.

ToHit debuffs from Dark Melee (you can slot 4 Kinetic Combat and 2 Siphon Insight and still deal decent damage while getting better debuffage)

Touch of Fear will take Siphon Insight, which 5 of will give the same defense bonus as 4 Kinetic Combat (bonus: The whole set is less expensive than ONE Kinetic Combat)

Electric can do some decent -end.

Has potential to be a very powerful character in general, with some decent debuffs as well.

Really depends on what you want to debuff. A Scrapper isn't going to debuff across a variety of attributes, like a Rad/ def - -res, -def, -tohit, etc ... but certain combos will do really well. I felt like my DM/DA was pretty solid back in the day at -tohit, particularly stacking ToF/CoF/attacks. It made a meaningful impact, but post CoF nerfage, possibly not so much.

Love the potential in an AoE focused Katana build to debuff def and res, with various procs.