Why do people here quit so easily?

While the title may seem as an insult to all the European players out there, it is merely a method of getting your attention, as I don't think a sledgehammer would do the job, considering your very not-physical being here :P


In the last couple of days, I've been playing a RSF and a Barra SF on the Union Server. The case in both teams were the same: When getting to the final mish, people give up very easily when facing an AV that can teamwipe you. Though, there were different reasons between the two SFs.

In LRSF, the team (from memory) was like this:

DM/Regen Stalker (Me)
SS/Stone Brute
DP/Kin Corr
Energy/Kin Corr
Fortunata
Demon/Dark MM
??/Shield Brute (Don't remember his primary :P)
(???)

Now, ignoring the parentheses this team would seem optimal for doing the SF, at least I think so. Now, the team was working rather good, the only reason, IMO; the reason the team split was a combo of mainly two aspects, I think. First of all, it was late, and many of us got tired.
The second reason was a wrong tactic: The puller of the group did for reasons unknown to the rest of us start out by pulling Statesman himself. Not that tough a gentleman again. Now, the reason this, after 2 hours of continuous attempts, caused the team to split up was that now the other heroes became aware of our prescence, thus leading Numina to start her buffing. Simply put, ouch! Now, in retrospect I realise that we couldn't have done much here, as the buffers were awaken, and that every time we tried to pull one of them, the others followed. This is not a call out to pull yourselves together with the SF, this is rather a suggestion to make sure your team know of the strategies before starting the plan.

Now, in BSF, the team composition was as following:

DM/Regen Stalker (Me)
Merc/Pain MM
DB/Regen Srapper
Grav/Emp troller
Energy/??? Blaster

Indeed, this might not be optimal for a usual BSF, but that was just because there was next to no interest in forming the SF in the first place.

The composition aside, I think it went great! Sure, we had a somewhat hard time fighting the EB/Hero in first mish, but hey, an Ill EB is an annoying threat! Ms. Liberty layed the road for our tactic against AVs. The troller, along with the melee characters (and maybe the MM) had holds, which we used to hold the AVs, a rather creative idea, IMO, and hey, it worked.
Now, in the last mish, we used the same strategy on the Arachnos AVs. Same thing happened as earlier: one of ours faced, vengeance on us, while altogether holding the happy dude. Now, when having the experience of dancing with Reichsman, we got the wonderful experience of being teamwiped, twice. "Oooh, big deal!" was my thought; the others: "We can't do this! I'll leave the team!". And no, I'm not overdoing this! We tried taking him on again, didn't hurt him much, and while I'll admit he didn't notice our punishment so much (Thanks to his 200,000 HP), I seriously think that giving up after only 10 minutes is simpy wimpiness! I mean come on, you teamwipe freaking twice! That doesn't mean that the challenge cannot be met!!

Now, some people might wonder: "What is your point with this thread?" Well, tbh, I think the reason I wrote this is to both get out with aggressions, and also to call out the players of the European Servers to hear whether I'm the only one experiencing a tendency among teammates to running away from actual challenges in the game.

And must apologies the bitterness that might be traced in the thread ^^

I know what you mean. I did a LGTF yesterday and the team consisted of 2 tanks, 2 controllers, blaster, scrapper, defender and my PB. The two controllers disappeared in the first mission never to be seen again. The scrapper quit at the third mission, as did the blaster who decided we wouldn't beat Hami so we carried on with 2 tanks, defender and PB...and finished succesfully. There's probably a lesson in there somewhere

Not tnoticed it too badly here on Defiant, but one incident that did stand out was my first attempt at Tin Mage.

After three teamwipes on the first mission, the team lead quit after making noise about how it was "impossible". After a quick reform with the rest of the team, and one character swap we managed to clear the TF in a reasonable time, with only minimal defeats along the way!

In my case, it was a siuation that was fixable by altering team tactics (sticking together for AoE Buffs) rather than team composition.

in defiant there are only 2-3 quitters, that r known...

i don't play union, but i heard that there are a lot of quitters there

I have to say on Defiant it's a long while since I teamed with a quitter.

This is a fairly new occurrence, and not isolated to any one server.

Frankly, it's because the game has gotten too easy, and everyone playing has become accustomed to that level of challenge.

Any challenge at all anymore, and in many cases that means just baseline performance rather than speeding, is seen as a negative. "Slogging through a TF" is simply not something players are accustomed to doing, and most really won't try very hard to do something that to them seems like a failure. It's all seen as a reward structure now, whereas in the past with no real rewards to speak of, you slogged through just to say you did so.

I used to have an SG which was basically about no quitting, if you started a TF you finished it. There was always a way to finish it. I don't bother now but I do always find a way to get things done. Unfortunately sometimes an expectant power that you know is taken as a must have on any self respecting <insert here> might be missing leading to less and less options. Powers aren't always about PvP or farming PvE they can be about flexibility.

Sometimes the leadership isn't good and time gets late, sometimes people fail to show so plans go to the wall, sometimes the leader may say one thing and someone in the team promptly interprets it in a way the leader never thought possible and they do something else. Worst thing ever, typical when the cavern trial was new was that you had 7 people with different ideas and time running out. How people never got the obvious first time round I don't know. I just play for fun now.

Just another heads up about Defiant too, often, they do know how to get through the game like butter.

I like TFs which go a bit wrong it really tests you

One reason that there "may" be less quitters on Defiant is that there are less of us and we tend to know most of our fellow players.

Defiant player here. I hear what y'all are saying and I do see it from time to time. The biggie i've noticed is when joining a pug group on a lady grey theres usually one or two that seem to disappear before hami time (*sorry guys, phones ringing* *girfriends being a blank* etc) and reappear for the last mission. Perhaps i'm a little sceptical. It could also be the reason it appears defiant don't do Hami well - they don't practice! lol

I've been on a few teams that have given up on the last mission, mostly on the STF with PUG's, although an early run against battle maiden beat us. But it's always been a team decision.

I've also been on a team that has finished the STF with 6 after the Emp and his partner lost their internet after the 2nd mission. Took us a while but we pulled it off with the Kin healing the tank off the towers.

I've had a few people quit on me, but not many and often cos they were newbies who didn't understand Task Forces meant you stick it out.

Im a bit backwards in quitting teams to be honest. I have quit teams without notice i admit, but its only in certain conditions.

I prefer teams that are random, ones that wont steamroll the entire thing and that every member of the team is doing SOMETHING to keep the rest alive. You know . . . . . . carnage/against all odds kind of teams. Now this just might be different/unusual powersets but it still makes it interesting for me.
However teams that steam roll things and the leader and team are adamant that everybody must do it X way for the fastest time, those teams i quit. Not because its too hard or too easy, because its just not fun for me as a general rule to steamroll stuff.

I've done a couple on ITFs recently and everyone went the back way.
I remember complaining about the ambushes at first but now I find it a challenge to take them on.

And unless you're going for a Master of run, deaths are just a miner thing.

The all MM ITF I ran a while ago, took almost 2 hours due to lag (I think it was 1 of about 5 ITFs running at the same time) and DCs, but it was a lot of fun. I also want to run an all Stalker, an all Tank and an all Blaster ITF. Think I'll arrange one soon.

I joined an all blaster ITF on Defiant a couple of weeks back. We died a fair bit but there was plenty of vengeance to go round and we still finished in quite a good time

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Originally Posted by The_Thorny_Devil One day I'm going to run an ITF where every foe on every map is to be dead before moving onto the next missions.

Mmmmm shards....

Not much you can do about quitters. They don't like debt. It makes them feel like they're getting much less infamy than usual which doesn't make sense since lv 50s earn a lot and the debt is gone after logging off for a bit.
First time quit: I add a note to the player's name in my list
2nd time quit: global ignore

Most of the time, I do SFs with a group of people that I know. Half the time, random folks just don't work out.

I don't really see alot of quitters to be honest. Sure theres been a few, but i wouldn't call it a problem


And keep in mind people might have real life obligations and such and might have to leave if a TF is dragging out on time.