Defender pride: All Defender ITF


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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Well I may not be an empath, but if you ever want a Rad/Rad on Virtue for all-defender awesomeness, look me up.


 

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Originally Posted by Silver_Tooth View Post
Well I may not be an empath, but if you ever want a Rad/Rad on Virtue for all-defender awesomeness, look me up.
We appreciate your willingness to team with us. We'll definitely let you know if anything happens down the pike.

--- Doom Diva




Global Name � @Doom Diva

 

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Originally Posted by Doom_Diva View Post
We appreciate your willingness to team with us. We'll definitely let you know if anything happens down the pike.

--- Doom Diva
*flails arms wildly, weeping*

Me! Take me too! *sobs*


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Originally Posted by _Malk_ View Post
*flails arms wildly, weeping*

Me! Take me too! *sobs*
R O F L

Wow... I didn't realize we had this many defenders who enjoyed all defender teaming.

I hope you'll raise your hand for an all defender CoP run too, when the time comes.

--- Doom Diva




Global Name � @Doom Diva

 

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I'm sure you can try as best as you want, but you lack debuffs.

Empathy gives you pathetic amounts of damage. With properly built characters you don't need the accuracy from Fortitude, though it certainly is nice.

Defender damage cap is 300%. Roughly one fulcrum shift is enough to cap everyones damage if they stand close. At this point adding more damage is pointless, it does nothing to speed things up. The only thing to increase damage at this point are debuffs which dark/cold/rad/storm all have.

Going for a 30 minute run pretty much requires some seriously fast playing, something that empathy does not provide.

Further optimization would be to have everyone with Sonic blast secondary. You could probably get hits for about 1k+ with tier 1 attacks with that much debuffing.

You won't reach that level of carnage with 5 empaths though.


 

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Originally Posted by Savos View Post
I'm sure you can try as best as you want, but you lack debuffs.

Going for a 30 minute run pretty much requires some seriously fast playing, something that empathy does not provide.
The 30-minute run wasn't our goal.

However, there are ways to shave TONS of time off the ITF -- but we chose not to.

Plain and simple.

It's not always how FAST something can be done in this game. There is such a thing as honor in getting the job done.

Frankly, I've been on full teams, with tankers, that couldn't finish Rommie off so the fact that our defender team did it (even with 5 empaths) is a good thing.

Please, stop raining on our parade. :P




Global Name � @Doom Diva

 

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If you have 50s on the teams, why would you want to skip bosses/incarnate shard drops?


Triumphant Defenders Forever
Psylenz FF/Psi, ArticQuark Storm/Rad, Symon BarSisyphus Bots/psn, Max VanSydow Thugs/Dk, Cyclone Symon Bots/stm, Blue Loki Ice/Cd, Widow 46526
HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.

 

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I am glad you had fun. Buff/debuff heavy teams are very potent, even without any kind of fancy inventions (or enhancements at all, really).

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Originally Posted by Doom_Diva View Post
Frankly, I've been on full teams, with tankers, that couldn't finish Rommie off so the fact that our defender team did it (even with 5 empaths) is a good thing.
Actually, it is not a surprise to most forum goers that all defender teams perform well. Running a TF with all defenders is making the game easier, not harder.


Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.

 

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With a team make up like that did you at least get masters?


>_>


 

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Originally Posted by Savos View Post
I'm sure you can try as best as you want, but you lack debuffs.

Empathy gives you pathetic amounts of damage. With properly built characters you don't need the accuracy from Fortitude, though it certainly is nice.

Defender damage cap is 300%. Roughly one fulcrum shift is enough to cap everyones damage if they stand close. At this point adding more damage is pointless, it does nothing to speed things up. The only thing to increase damage at this point are debuffs which dark/cold/rad/storm all have.

Going for a 30 minute run pretty much requires some seriously fast playing, something that empathy does not provide.

Further optimization would be to have everyone with Sonic blast secondary. You could probably get hits for about 1k+ with tier 1 attacks with that much debuffing.

You won't reach that level of carnage with 5 empaths though.
A team of 8 Empaths can:
Hit the defender regen cap 24-7 (roughly +2000%)
Hit 200%+ damage before slotting (8*Assault + double stacked Forts)
Readily hit global recharge rates of 200% (Hasten and AB is 170% ... doesn't take much in the way of sets bonuses to grab another 30%+, my own builds tend to have perma Hasten solo, meaning I'm in the neighborhood of 275% plus the recharge in the powers themselves)
Defenses well beyond the soft cap (8*Maneuvers and again double stacked Fort)
Capped To Hit (8*Tactics plus you guessed it double stacked Fort)

3 Empaths pretty much do all the above except the +damage (and the capped To Hit), and pathetic is perhaps a bit of hyperbole at least compared to anything other than a Kinetic who leave just about any other Defender behind as well as far as ease of capping damage. 3 Empaths will be able to drop a Nuke about every 20-30 seconds, with the nukes causing essentially no downtime (or increased risk) due to the end crash >>> I've had my end bar refill in seconds even with the -recovery from a Nuke still on me and unlike a Kinetic I have NO need to find a survivor or even worry about doing anything but tabbing and firing at my next target, I'll retoggle (assuming I need to) while moving on my next target(s). The perma double stacked RA's ensure that with 400%+ recovery left AFTER the Nukes -recovery. Only Kinetics really leaves any other defender set 'behind' in terms of ease of damage boosting/buffing ... other defenders need to match the +62% damage boost (as the Leadership will or can be a wash) from stacked Fort, and most can in some fashion either by debuffs like Tar Patch, -resistance of Sonic/*, Rad Emission toggles etc.. but the Empathy isn't anywhere near a distant last. And a Kinetic has virtually no hope of dropping a Nuke and finding a refill in as much safety as my still regen and defense capped Empath particularly against say level 54 Malta, Champions or Rikti meant for a team of 8.

Toss in the -resistance of /Sonic Blast and there's not much a team of 3+ Empaths won't chew to bits in seconds. 8 is utter overkill most likely ... except at some point the ease of destruction tends to result in forgetting to buff (and buff and buff) and things go very south rather suddenly. But that pretty much happens to any steam rolling team of Defenders if they forget to support each other.

The only issue I've ever seen a team of 3+ Empaths have would vaporize if several were /Sonic Blast. Namely AV(s), as unlike most of our fellow Defenders we have no native -regen or -resist in our primary. I think only Force Field shares this 'issue' and both Primaries exchange that for being extremely safe, comparatively, when more than one other of their primary is around (and I'm thinking even 3 FF would be hard pressed to be called as 'safe' given mez holes, no +regen etc..) 3 Empaths are about as survivable as 3 defenders of any one flavor can get. We trade that safety for being very dependent on our secondary for dealing with and defeating the hardest targets in the game. Sonic Blast makes us very very deadly even to them.

In other words what Strato Nexus said

Reyna Morningdew and Rianna Sidhe of Green Machine
Emp/Rad and Emp/Sonic level 50s

PS The most crushing team I've ever been on, did a Master run of an STF, included 3 Empathy Defenders and a Mind/Empath controller. We zerged the patrons taking on all 4 at once during that Master Run. 6 Defenders and 2 Trollers obliterated that STF.

PS2: for the record it was as I recall (this was well over a year ago) 2 Emp/Rad, 1 Emp/Sonic, FF/Arch, Cold/Arch, Sonic/Sonic, Mind/Emp and a Fire/Kin.


 

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If you guys ever wander over to Pinnacle to do this I have a Rad/Sonic and a Dark/DP that would be interested in coming along.


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Back in the Day, like Fall of 2004, there were many all-defender SGs. The Triumphant Defenders were one of the first on Triumph. I myself had been in one on Guardian when the SG members bolted to some new sure-to-fail MMO by Blizzard.

All-defender teams, supergroups are addictive. Just give them a try. Duplication doesn't matter much although more than 2 FF defenders is less than optimal. The 'formation' or attack style is like an irresistible amoeba steamrolling everything in its path. Stacking accelerated metabolism, speed boosts, even adrenaline boosts if you are lucky enough to get that, too, makes it very fast-paced. AoE controls and attacks melt spawns by the dozens. Nuking in waves just speeds up the fight with all the endurance replenishing tools.

Good luck to Green Machine. Kudos to Repeat Offenders. I hope old becomes new again and all defender teams or at least defender heavy teams aren't looked at as gimp but the way things work best.


Triumphant Defenders Forever
Psylenz FF/Psi, ArticQuark Storm/Rad, Symon BarSisyphus Bots/psn, Max VanSydow Thugs/Dk, Cyclone Symon Bots/stm, Blue Loki Ice/Cd, Widow 46526
HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.

 

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Originally Posted by Doom_Diva View Post
Wow... I didn't realize we had this many defenders who enjoyed all defender teaming.

I hope you'll raise your hand for an all defender CoP run too, when the time comes.
Heh, all Defender teaming is a lot of fun. If you ever get the all-Defender CoP together (and it's on Virtue) I'll bring out my Traps/AR .


 

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Originally Posted by Doomguide View Post
The only issue I've ever seen a team of 3+ Empaths ... Namely AV(s), as unlike most of our fellow Defenders we have no native -regen or -resist in our primary.
I don't think you were there, for the GanGrene Machine episode where we met our match: one of the mirror image missions where 5 boss-class empaths spawned...


 

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Do all stormer ITF.. So much fun and chaos

but oh so easy!


 

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Having done every AT through an all XXX ITF, I agree all defender ITF ranks up there on the easy street scale.


 

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I don't think you were there, for the GanGrene Machine episode where we met our match: one of the mirror image missions where 5 boss-class empaths spawned...
Hehe, nope I was there on Crunchtime Kayla ... getting crunched.


 

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
Heh, all Defender teaming is a lot of fun. If you ever get the all-Defender CoP together (and it's on Virtue) I'll bring out my Traps/AR .
Wonderful!

Virtue is the only server I play on now. I started on Freedom but had a friend who complained about the lag on the server (and he couldn't run in Grandville because of it)... so I moved all of my "popular" toons over to Virtue.

So, when this defender COP takes place, it will definitely have to be on Virtue otherwise I won't be able to make the run.

--- Doom Diva




Global Name � @Doom Diva

 

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Ugh, I could shoot myself. I was logged in that night and was respec'ing my toon. After I came out of it, I saw the invite for the all defender ITF (I was on my FF/Dark/Psi). After reading this thread I'd be really interested in seeing if people here would be interested in starting an all defender SG. I know a few years back RO was was out and about but I haven't seen or heard from hobo healer in many many months. Let me know what you kids out there are thinking about this.


When there is no room left in Hell, the Dead shall walk the earth.

 

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I am not sure how many would leave their established supergroups. Perhaps we could create a new global channel for getting all-defender/defender-heavy activity going.


Triumphant Defenders Forever
Psylenz FF/Psi, ArticQuark Storm/Rad, Symon BarSisyphus Bots/psn, Max VanSydow Thugs/Dk, Cyclone Symon Bots/stm, Blue Loki Ice/Cd, Widow 46526
HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.

 

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Originally Posted by Organicide View Post
Ugh, I could shoot myself. I was logged in that night and was respec'ing my toon. After I came out of it, I saw the invite for the all defender ITF (I was on my FF/Dark/Psi).
Sorry to hear you missed the barrel of fun, Organicide; however, I am sure with the amount of interest others have shown in this thread -- there's a great chance other "all defender" teams will form and you'll get an opportunity to be a part of one.

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I am not sure how many would leave their established supergroups. Perhaps we could create a new global channel for getting all-defender/defender-heavy activity going.
I would have to agree with you Psy. I already Captain (3) Hero groups on Virtue, as well as (2) Villain groups on Freedom.

With a 30-million prestige earned behind my name for Hero Dawn, it's highly unlikely I'll leave this SG to start fresh somewhere else. :P

On the other hand...

I do have room to start ONE more public channel and would be inclined to join a defender team channel as long as I don't have to run it.

--- Doom Diva




Global Name � @Doom Diva

 

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I like the idea of a Defender TF channel as well, any suggestions for names? I kinda like the idea of calling it "Fruitsalad" in honor of The Defender's Manifesto but that is somewhat wierd to anyone who isn't familiar with it.


 

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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood View Post
I like the idea of a Defender TF channel as well, any suggestions for names? I kinda like the idea of calling it "Fruitsalad" in honor of The Defender's Manifesto but that is somewhat wierd to anyone who isn't familiar with it.
I suggested in the thread using a Defender channel so I am not quibbling over names. Fruitsalad works for me.


Triumphant Defenders Forever
Psylenz FF/Psi, ArticQuark Storm/Rad, Symon BarSisyphus Bots/psn, Max VanSydow Thugs/Dk, Cyclone Symon Bots/stm, Blue Loki Ice/Cd, Widow 46526
HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.

 

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Fruit Salad is a great name. I'd join that channel. Defenders are probably my favorite AT; it's the only one I've got multiple 50s of.


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Originally Posted by Organicide View Post
Ugh, I could shoot myself. I was logged in that night and was respec'ing my toon. After I came out of it, I saw the invite for the all defender ITF (I was on my FF/Dark/Psi). After reading this thread I'd be really interested in seeing if people here would be interested in starting an all defender SG. I know a few years back RO was was out and about but I haven't seen or heard from hobo healer in many many months. Let me know what you kids out there are thinking about this.
Just fyi RO is out and about and doing well. http://www.repeat-offenders.net/