Question...

...has anyone come up with a scrapper build that can tank Lord Recluse on a STF, without any support?

I've done it with a tank, but was wondering if anyone has done it with a scrapper.

It's been done by a DM/Shield on my server.

Bet a DM/Inv could do it too. Hrm...

I can't even come up with a tanker build that can tank STF Lord Recluse without support.

What do you mean by support in this case? Good builds with a lot of inspirations do it, but that could be considered support.

What's his to-hit when buffed? How much damage does he do? What damage types, lethal and energy? Sorry, I've only ever done one STF so I get to ask the newbie questions. The issue with tanking tower-buffed Recluse is that he has huge to-hit and does more damage than most toons have hit points, right? Any other problems? And for how long must you usually tank? In the all-Scrapper STF I was on, he had to be tanked this side of forever due to the repairmen bug and our stubborn refusal to use nukes, even though many of us had come prepared with them. But I assume the towers normally go down much faster.

IIRC and roughly, you need about 100% defense to get him to his minimal chance to hit (which is still 9% or so because he's +4). His attacks deal about 3000 damage each, and come with either a substantial defense debuff or end drain ; he deals smashing, lethal and energy.

Which is why I had to go with my ******** answer above, as for me tanking is "surviving and keeping aggro until the enemy is dead". Hence, tanking without support would probably imply surviving indefinitely the above, as you're not likely to kill him, and teammates killing towers, weakening his defenses definitely fall into "support".

If we're assuming a team is killing the towers (and here lies the problem ; some teams will be blazing fast at it and you won't have to handle the tough hits for more than a minute, some will suck terribly at it and you'd have to tank beefed up LR for 30 minutes - though it's likely it'll result in a wipe before that), I've found any Shield, Elec or Inv build can more or less reliably do the trick with insps. Without insps/temps/accolades, it's a crapshoot at best as you're looking at a period of time during which, unless you're a SR running Elude, you'll get hit every few seconds for 700ish damage (if res-capped) with defense debuffing on top. Keep in mind usual "gamebreakers" like Divine Avalanche or Siphon Life won't have any use before whichever tower boosts his defense to absurd levels is gone.

Given these circumstances, I'd go with Kat/SR/Body with Aid Self ; Elude during the first minutes, then popping CP and quad-stacking DA right before the crash as to keep some defense before you can toggle up. Still, with a ~9% minimum chance to hit things can go south quick, as each hit is going to put you at 1hp before the damage tower is gone. An awfully specialised build to do something other builds could do much more reliably with just a few insp.

did it once with an broadsword/shield and twice with an spines/invul. used inspirations every time i tanked him, had an thermal troller as support once for the invul scrapper

So maybe a high recharge Broad Sword/Shield Defense with Focused Accuracy, Tactics and Kismet spamming a defense and accuracy buffed Parry about four times every ten seconds? I don't know what his defense is, so I'm not sure how much to hit and accuracy you'd need. You're still getting frickin' nailed by the damage, though. Aid Self at a minimum. Doesn't sound like it would stand very reliably, though, particularly after inspirations run out.

Katana/Invuln at or near the normal soft cap before Divine Avalanche, spamming a Gambler's Cut -> Divine Avalanche chain? Again, everything you can do to be sure Divine Avalanche hits at least semi-reliably so that having it less than double-stacked is unlikely and doesn't last long when it does happen. Aid Self. Very good resistance to much of his damage, capped hit points, hopefully soft-capped defense. Aid self of course. Still seems like you would go down without inspirations, but you could probably get a good run if you're lucky? I'm not sure being lucky counts as tanking, though. But yeah, I'm liking Invulnerability since you can have a lot of defense AND resistance, and Katana because you can spam Gambler's Cut too, which when it hits will help debuff his defense, making it easier for Divine Avalanche to land, and a back and forth chain of the two puts out four Divine Avalanche attempts in its ten second duration. Again, no idea what sort of defense we're trying to overcome, though. The idea of hitting him through it as a defensive technique sounds good, though. Heck, even if you're swallowing yellows instead of purples, it might work out better. Aid Self will interrupt the Divine Avalanche spam. That's kind of amusing. "Well, I could heal, but then he'd just hit me again."

Kat/Inv should do the trick.
Would probably use one of the towers to get DA stacked rather than trying to hit LR. Use confront to keep him on me, and pack some oranges, purples and greens just incase...


hmmmmm.... was suppose to try this with 2 other scraps.... completely forgot

There isn't really much that can survive fully buffed Recluse without using inspirations.

Ah, so pull Recluse to another tower and just spam Divine Avalanche on the tower? In regards to Confront, is the taunt aura not enough to keep him on you?

Sounds workable, and without the need for the insane to hit and accuracy that I thought you'd need, so perhaps a less specialized build than I expected.

My Broadsword/Regeneration scrapper namesake was able to tank a tower buffed Recluse without inspirations. Granted, it only took two powers to do (Flight and Confront) but I certainly felt "super."

I don't know if they'll ever give Recluse the ability to fly or buff the range on his attacks, but until then you can "tank" him by parking your character above, out of range and just firing off confront whenever it spawns. Salvaged a few STF runs that way.

Fly. It negates almost all of his attacks. With that, almost any of them could, as long as they can withstand the damage and endurance drain from his [channelgun].
I believe he only has 2 attacks that are ranged, the energy wave thing (the cone) and channelgun (ranged ST).

~And then I realize Paladin just said basically the same thing.
doh!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen

Sorry.

I of course meant some inspiration use, while the team took on the towers.

I was able to do it with my IOed WP/ Tanker, while the team took on the towers.

Was trying to think of a scrapper build that could that.

That is sort of my point, although I might have phrased it in an ackward way. I'm wondering if Paladin could specify if he has Confront slotted for range or anything, because otherwise there's something strange happening.