They're moving the European servers
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Posted on: 2010-11-10 01:03 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I'm just going to pretend this means soon we will have a merged server listing.
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Originally Posted by virtue
So they are moving the European servers to the United States, could anyone more technically minded than myself tell me what the implications are?
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I asked at the M&G, they said "No comment."
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Originally Posted by LISAR
I'm just going to pretend this means soon we will have a merged server listing.
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So if they merge servers will we just get dumped onto the American ones? or will Union, Defiant etc remain? And will I become @EU_Virtue because an American has the same global as me or worse still will I have to choose a new name althogether?
The only difference we should notice at this stage is an improvement in performance in the UK.
It may be different for French and German players but the connection between the UK & US is often better than the one we have to the servers now.
So far there has been no announcement regarding merging lists and I don't expect we'll be getting anything soon - so in effect we'll experience a few hours down time and then hopefully less lag.
Thelonious Monk
Rather than 'merge', they could just put them in the list of servers available to all and give everyone a week of free server transfers.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Rather than 'merge', they could just put them in the list of servers available to all and give everyone a week of free server transfers.
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I doubt that would work at all nor is it desirable
Thelonious Monk
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Are you implying we have a week of free transfers to move off our server to a NA one and then we lose them? Or that the EU servers are permanently added to the NA list? |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Rather than 'merge', they could just put them in the list of servers available to all and give everyone a week of free server transfers.
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Cos the former is a terrible idea and the later is exactly what we want.
I think that what Zombie Man means is that we would have a merged server list which is desirable. However a week of free server transfers straight after such a list merge would kill the EU servers in a mass migration to NA servers.
Instead it would be better if no server transfers were offered, thereby encouraging NA players to roll up on the former EU servers and the EU players a chance to try out all of the NA servers. My altisis would certainly go into overdrive for a short period. 
@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
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Given Zombie Man's normal sensible statements I agree. SS's comments threw me more than anything. |
Originally Posted by Dante
I think that what Zombie Man means is that we would have a merged server list which is desirable. However a week of free server transfers straight after such a list merge would kill the EU servers in a mass migration to NA servers.
Instead it would be better if no server transfers were offered, thereby encouraging NA players to roll up on the former EU servers and the EU players a chance to try out all of the NA servers. My altisis would certainly go into overdrive for a short period. |
But yeah, agree on the transfers although I wouldn't transfer any off as I have my friends and my SG there. I would hope we have some of the old EU players come home.
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The latter.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
Are you implying we have a week of free transfers to move off our server to a NA one and then we lose them? Or that the EU servers are permanently added to the NA list?
Cos the former is a terrible idea and the later is exactly what we want. |
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Free server transfers would kill the EU servers quicker than a new upcoming superhero game offering 6 months free gameplay.
Any potential list merge would need to be handled way more sensitively than that.
Thelonious Monk
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... right. Just like how everyone transfers to Freedumb every time free transfers have been offered now.|
Originally Posted by Dante
I think that what Zombie Man means is that we would have a merged server list which is desirable. However a week of free server transfers straight after such a list merge would kill the EU servers in a mass migration to NA servers.
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What would happen with a list merge followed by free transfers:
- Some people would move lesser-played EU alts off onto another server.
- Some people would roll new characters - both ways, to and from EU.
- Some people would say "I'm not going over there."
- Some EU players in the NA would go "Hey, I know those servers!" and roll alts THERE.
- Some of my fellow Americans would roll on Zukunft and go "lol wut spk englesh nub wut u say?"
- Some would transfer to Freedom and go "Someone just said 'lol wut spk englesh nub wut u say?' to me. Defiant, take me back!"
- Sprinkle with /ragequit and doooooooooooooooooooom posts, serve warm, feeds 6.
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Given that in the past EU players have been given a straight 'no', I find this comment very interesting. Fingers crossed...
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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja
I asked at the M&G, they said "No comment."
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@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
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Really? REALLY? This would be sublime news!
(although it will mean I will shuttle between one account and the other on an almost monthly basis, but I don't mind that). I could Gleemail between my accounts, which would be excellent.
They shouldn't offer a weeks worth of free transfers though if they do merge. To do so would be missing out on a lot of potential revenue.
I think the main effect would be that a lot of people, like me, would roll (yet another) alt on a EU Server to see their compatriots and run GR. Of course it will work both ways but I feel the net effect would be more NA accounts trying out alts on Onion and Deviant.
Yes, I'm aware the announcement specifically says "No merge at this time" but surely it would have to happen fairly soon afterwards (otherwise why bother going to the expense and hardship of setting up a new server group and transferring all those 1s and 0s).
On the other plus side does it mean the EU servers are being brought inline with the US ones Hardware-wise?
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Lol, that was largly what I was thinking, except with a smattering of this:|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... right. Just like how everyone transfers to Freedumb every time free transfers have been offered now.
What would happen with a list merge followed by free transfers:
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- Some of your fellow Americans would roll on Union and go "lol lrn 2 spel nub wut u say?"
- Some of the English would roll on Freedom and go "laugh out loud Learn to spell noob. What did you say?"
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Apologies if my post came off more doom laden than was intended. I wouldn't leave my native server but I know plenty that would. Union is already a medium population server but I do think that free transfers straight after a merge would not help that number to grow. I wouldn't say no to a free transfer offer but I think the timing would need to be more sensitively handled.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... right. Just like how everyone transfers to Freedumb every time free transfers have been offered now.
What would happen with a list merge followed by free transfers:
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@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
The Militia: Union RP Supergroup - www.themilitia.org.uk
first things first.... if this move will eliminate the terrible lag we experience in ITF.... then we have a win
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It won't. From what I have read that Lag is nothing to do with the connections rather with the calculations due to one of the powers (phalanx fighting I think) that the cimeroian traitors have on Lag Hill. The people playing US side have the same issue.
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Originally Posted by preachmoore
first things first.... if this move will eliminate the terrible lag we experience in ITF.... then we have a win
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That lag is caused by the specific design of the ITF maps, moving the servers around will do very little to alleviate it.
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Originally Posted by preachmoore
first things first.... if this move will eliminate the terrible lag we experience in ITF.... then we have a win
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My concern is that for a couple of years before the forums were merged there was a constant cry from many of the EU forumites for a server merge - and many players on Defiant jumped ship to Union when the slump was at its worst claiming that Defiant was dead - and although that wasn't factually true, it did mean Defiant took a hit.
Even last xmas with the free transfers given out traffic was largely one way from Defiant to Union other than the parking of 50s.
Many people who may not even frequent the forums also still claim - erroneously as it happens - that Defiant is still a low population server and would almost certainly jump to Freedom or one of the others simply because they perceive it to be "better" - regardless of the actual facts.
I strongly suspect that if free transfers were given out with a subsequent merge, only those who had no emotional/time investment - ie those not part of big SGs, server channels, groups of friends etc would feel encouraged to jump - and once it starts it becomes a slow haemorrhage that will bleed the server to a lingering death.
One option - and it would take a lot of doing - following a list merge would be to offer transfers from only the highest population servers to give some kind of load balancing, but that also has some issues.
Thelonious Monk
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Which I briefly considered then dismissed, as what sort of MMO player decides to knowingly move from a high population server to a low population server?|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
One option - and it would take a lot of doing - following a list merge would be to offer transfers from only the highest population servers to give some kind of load balancing, but that also has some issues.
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I guess that if SGs (including bases) could do a wholesale move then you might get them moving if the high population server is deemed to have performance issues, but otherwise I'd imagine that it appeals most to individuals and small groups who aren't well established/don't have ties to other players on the home server. Does attracting a lot of solo/duo players to an EU server help much?
Better IMO to list merge and have no extraordinary transfer period.
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Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
Which I briefly considered then dismissed, as what sort of MMO player decides to knowingly move from a high population server to a low population server?
I guess that if SGs (including bases) could do a wholesale move then you might get them moving if the high population server is deemed to have performance issues, but otherwise I'd imagine that it appeals most to individuals and small groups who aren't well established/don't have ties to other players on the home server. Does attracting a lot of solo/duo players to an EU server help much? Better IMO to list merge and have no extraordinary transfer period. |
I agree. I'm only putting it out there as an option
Thelonious Monk
YAY!
GREAT news. UK player here and this has always annoyed me. Just getting those off those servers in germany will be great.
And as to merge I think it will be better to merge the lists to give all players access to US/EU but keep the EU servers as a seperate entity. no transfers etc.
I would be happy with that.
So they are moving the European servers to the United States, could anyone more technically minded than myself tell me what the implications are?