That depends on how far the enemy moved and whether or not the Mastermind was intentionally doing it to annoy you.
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Dispersion Bubble is the mez protect and +def bubble, so that's not actually the one you wanted turned off, and no one running that one would ever be inclined to do so.|
Originally Posted by crayhal
Brute... must build fury... use damage aura for extra hurt...
Wait... why is the enemy moving away? Must run after. Enemy is running backwards? Is this a bug? Dammit, out of my range again. WTH? (Sudden burst of insight: there's an MM in the team who was dispersion bubble.) I, Broot: <MM's name>, plz turn of dispersion bubble. The enemies are out of my damage aura and AOEs. (Waits patiently for 5 mins. Enemies are still being pushed away.) I, Broot: <MM's name>, can you do me a favor and turn of dispersion bubble? I need the enemies to surround me. (Waits patiently for 5 mins. Enemies are still being pushed away. Mouse hovers near kick button...) Am I asking for far too much? Should I have phrased my request more forcefully or not at all, just to let the MM play as he likes? I must admit that it irritated me enough that I wanted to kick the MM off the team.  |
Force Bubble is the one that was doing the shoving, and i'm pretty confident the MM knew what you meant.
Generally i'd just run after the enemies after asking the MM to either drop the Force Bubble or stop pushing them ahead of me. If the MM was using it intelligently to shove all the mobs into a smaller area or corner for easier disposal/AoE use, then i'd be fine with it. If he was just constantly pushing them away and scattering them i'd leave the team.
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Try sending a tell, they could have just been concentrated on something else on the screen. Some bright yellow text will stand out in the team chat tab. Also there is a little chime type noise when you get a new tell.
When the MM was pushing these mobs around, where they getting pushed and packed into a corner? If the MM is doing it on purpose and with skill sounds like you just need to move over a few (ingame feet), if the MM just has the Bubble on becuase its a toggle in his tray and doesn't have a clue what he's doing then that's a different story.
In the end you are the one with the star, so it's your call.
I would have kicked him. My main is a Mind/FF, and I see people using FF with not a clue what they're doing all the time.
Your situation reminds me of a merc/ff mm I saw on a +4 map once, (level 50 team), running force bubble(with dispersion OFF)and setting his merc's to "attack" (he said so), hopping around the room of purple mobs and whining "FF sucks im deleting this toon" 
. Without being condescending I sent a tell telling him to turn off Force, Toggle-up Dispersion and set the pets to defensive to stop the faceplanting, and he ignored it lmao.
Of course IQ of the playerbase varies, it's just some sets/powers (FF), can really being a pain when you find somebody with a low one running it lol.
Edit: if you did use the term Dispersion though there is a chance they misunderstood your request, since as the other replies have said the one you wanted off was Force Bubble. There's a chance maybe he even did turn off Dispersion for you and dropped the whole team's defense since you asked LOL.
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Force Bubble has a 50 foot radius, with it on/standing next to a range AT some attacks will be out of range, if this toon was hugging the brute with melee powers it would get very annoying, very fast |
Originally Posted by SuperFerret
That depends on how far the enemy moved and whether or not the Mastermind was intentionally doing it to annoy you.
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(The brute wouldn't be able to get a single attack off).
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Yeah, but I've used it as a "Keep those guys with their pointy hurty things far away for my sake" in the past, so it's really hard to say who's in the wrong here. If the Mastermind was getting into the thick of things or otherwise being stupid with it, then it's their fault and you can kick them if you want with good reason. If it was just an "Oh no, knockback" type of thing, then the brute should just move forward and stay outside the force bubble.
It might not have been the MM pushing the mobs at all.
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Force Bubble is the only power i know of that works the way the OP described. Although i'm not ruling out someone else having Force Bubble, unless everyone else on the team was staying right next to the MM it would be pretty obvious who was generating the effect.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
It might not have been the MM pushing the mobs at all.
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Unless he was in a mixed team (with a Defender or Controller,) the only player it could be would be the MM. There's no bubble that works like that in Sonic, and Hurricane is pretty obvious. And corruptors don't have FF.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
It might not have been the MM pushing the mobs at all.
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My bad... the name confused me. Disperse to me is to separate, so I though that was the bubble that scatters the mob. My brute is electric melee, so over half my attacks weren't very efficient since I ended up hitting single targets or fewer targets because the mob was scattered. It would be nice if the mob was pushed against a wall, but that didn't happen.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Dispersion Bubble is the mez protect and +def bubble, so that's not actually the one you wanted turned off, and no one running that one would ever be inclined to do so.
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My team was running papers and I purposely pick offices and warehouses, so plenty of room to maneuver. If the mission is close to a river or the sea, chances are that it's a cave or a sewer, so I abandon it and pick another mission.
As far as I remember, I keep trying to run ahead, but after a hit or two, they're pushed away again. Bubble MMs have ranged attacks right? So there really is no reason for him to stand next to me. I guess it is also unreasonable to expect him to understand that I need the mob to surround me.
Unfortunately, it was such an annoying experience that I avoid inviting bubble MMs.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Try sending a tell, they could have just been concentrated on something else on the screen
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This. It does help. Sometimes MMs look like they are just sitting there but we're usually frantically buffing, healing, debuffing, commanding and generally trying to manage two teams (players + minions) at the same time.
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Blasters have a repel power in their APPs which means Stalkers do as well. Is repel for kins knockback or repel. Being pushed away sounds like a repel power. It could also be Telekinesis. Which along with being a Control power, fenders and corruptors can pick up in their APP.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Unless he was in a mixed team (with a Defender or Controller,) the only player it could be would be the MM. There's no bubble that works like that in Sonic, and Hurricane is pretty obvious. And corruptors don't have FF.
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Every one of those repel powers has a radius of approximately 5' and primarily do knockback. Force Bubble is a repel power that has a radius about ten times that and has a very low chance of inflicting KB in addition to the repel effect. Unless the MM had the Brute set on follow and never got more than a couple feet away none of the powers you mentioned would do anything. Reread the OP.|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Blasters have a repel power in their APPs which means Stalkers do as well. Is repel for kins knockback or repel. Being pushed away sounds like a repel power. It could also be Telekinesis. Which along with being a Control power, fenders and corruptors can pick up in their APP.
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Force Bubble can cause a "running backwards" effect, i've seen it many times on my Force Fielders. The other powers simply hurl the mobs away. (Inflict KB.) Telekinesis is another repel power, but its effect is very limited. Hurricane is a very obvious repel power. Only Force Bubble can consistently keep mobs pushed out of melee range for another player without the user staying directly on top of the melee player. None of the powers you've suggested would result in the scenario the OP described.
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For kinetics, the person would have to be right next to him. The radius is extremely small.|
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Blasters have a repel power in their APPs which means Stalkers do as well. Is repel for kins knockback or repel. Being pushed away sounds like a repel power. It could also be Telekinesis. Which along with being a Control power, fenders and corruptors can pick up in their APP.
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And what do you mean, "Blasters have a repel power in their APPs which means stalkers do as well?" One means jack to the other. For APPs, Stalkers get Blaze, Body, Darkness and Weapon mastery - none of which have a repel in them. Nor do the PPPs.
Telekenesis can only push back about 5 mobs at most.
And Force Bubble has a noticable bubble *graphic* you'd see pushing the mobs back. So, given the OP was seeing a bubble, I doubt it's Repel or TK - and it CERTAINLY isn't Repel.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
For kinetics, the person would have to be right next to him. The radius is extremely small.
And what do you mean, "Blasters have a repel power in their APPs which means stalkers do as well?" One means jack to the other. For APPs, Stalkers get Blaze, Body, Darkness and Weapon mastery - none of which have a repel in them. Nor do the PPPs. Telekenesis can only push back about 5 mobs at most. And Force Bubble has a noticable bubble *graphic* you'd see pushing the mobs back. So, given the OP was seeing a bubble, I doubt it's Repel or TK - and it CERTAINLY isn't Repel. |
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two j_s moments aren't that bad, and while I was wrong about the amout of XP being granted I was much closer to understanding what the OP was asking then they guy who answered after me.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
i think Warden's been having some j_s moments today. They also posted in another thread that patrol xp gives double xp.
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The OP of this thread has described repel affects, not knockback, pushing the mobs away from him. After it was pointed out Force Bubble is the repel power and not Dispersion Bubble, an easy mistake, I wondered if maybe a different power may have caused this to happen, anther easy mistake to make.
We don't know if this was a blueside or redside team, we don't know what level this occured at. But there are other powers in the game that cause repel. If it's a J_S moment to know that Stalkers get Blaster APPs and Blasters get Stalker PPPs but not realize that one APP was not ported to Stalkers, sorry. When I saw who was getting what pools I just figured anything I could get with my blaster I could get with my stalker.
I thought a J_S moment had something to due with telling someone they're wrong in condescending manner and then being wrong yourself. I thought PatolXp was double xp and not 50% and I didn't realize stalkers got shafted out of an APP I don't think I'm claiming an intimate knowledge no one else besides the devs could have about this game.
And thank you both for pointing out why the repel powers I brought up couldn't have been responsible for the conditions the OP discribed. Being American I believe in innocent until proven quilty, I'm only giving a nameless MM a momentary benefit of the doubt. Thanks to having that brief doubt I've learned a few new things.
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We don't know if this was a blueside or redside team, we don't know what level this occured at. But there are other powers in the game that cause repel. If it's a J_S moment to know that Stalkers get Blaster APPs and Blasters get Stalker PPPs but not realize that one APP was not ported to Stalkers, sorry. When I saw who was getting what pools I just figured anything I could get with my blaster I could get with my stalker. |
Yes, they share themes - they do not necesarily share the APP or most of the powers. Stalkers get some control, several ranged attacks and utility. Blasters tend to get control, shields and utility. The sets are not that much alike in most instances. And neither one has a repel power. Stalkers may have cone attacks that do knockback (torrent and energy torrent,) but that's not going to be mistaken for a FF MM's powers.
Stalker APPs
Blaster APPs
Just so you can see what I mean.
Regardless, it's hard to confuse any of them with Force Bubble (or Repulsion Field, for that matter, though that's much closer range and you can see the pulses - it does definitely do knockback.)
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Unless the MM had the Brute set on follow and never got more than a couple feet away none of the powers you mentioned would do anything. Reread the OP.
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Granted, Force Bubble is still the more likely answer.
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Wow... I didn't realize how much discussion this could generate. Anyway, I was running level 39 missions but some of my teammates aren't 39 but no one was over 39. I remember the enemies either running in place towards me or backwards. They were not getting tossed up or back. I ended up hitting a bit, moving again to get in range, then hitting again. There was a lot of running around to reach the scattered mob.
And yes, shame on me if the MM actually did turn off dispersion bubble as per my request. I don't think he did tho, since folks weren't dying. My guess is that he probably kept both dispersion and force bubbles on.
Mind if I ask where in relation to the mob of enemies you and the MM were respectively? What type of MM was it aside from /FF?
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
I thought a J_S moment had something to due with telling someone they're wrong in condescending manner and then being wrong yourself.
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FWIW, i think j_s generally means well. It's just when you believe yourself to be an expert on a subject it leads to overconfidence and not checking your facts before delivering incorrect missives from on high. Gods can cheat when that happens by changing the facts afterward to match their edict. Mortal experts not so much.
...As for the main topic...
Well used Force Bubble can be an incredibly useful tool on a team. Badly or constantly used Force Bubble on a team tends to be annoying and counterproductive.
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Energy Torrent does knockdown, not knockback. All the Ancillary versions do knockdown, which is rather nice (or nicer anyway).
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Go use Wikia if you're not sure. Nobody's claiming perfect knowledge of the game. That's why I gave you a link in my reply.
Yes, they share themes - they do not necesarily share the APP or most of the powers. Stalkers get some control, several ranged attacks and utility. Blasters tend to get control, shields and utility. The sets are not that much alike in most instances. And neither one has a repel power. Stalkers may have cone attacks that do knockback (torrent and energy torrent,) but that's not going to be mistaken for a FF MM's powers. Stalker APPs Blaster APPs Just so you can see what I mean. Regardless, it's hard to confuse any of them with Force Bubble (or Repulsion Field, for that matter, though that's much closer range and you can see the pulses - it does definitely do knockback.) |
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MM was bots/FF. I was the only brute, so I run ahead to take the agro. The mob would be around me at first, and then they would get pushed away. Everytime I got to a new mob, I only get a few moments to fire off my aoes before the mob scatters again.
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Originally Posted by SuperFerret
Mind if I ask where in relation to the mob of enemies you and the MM were respectively? What type of MM was it aside from /FF?
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But how close were you to him. He's bots, so if he's attacking, it's at range, so you shouldn't be close together.
Brute... must build fury... use damage aura for extra hurt...
Wait... why is the enemy moving away? Must run after.
Enemy is running backwards? Is this a bug? Dammit, out of my range again. WTH?
(Sudden burst of insight: there's an MM in the team who was dispersion bubble.)
I, Broot: <MM's name>, plz turn of dispersion bubble. The enemies are out of my damage aura and AOEs.
(Waits patiently for 5 mins. Enemies are still being pushed away.)
I, Broot: <MM's name>, can you do me a favor and turn of dispersion bubble? I need the enemies to surround me.
(Waits patiently for 5 mins. Enemies are still being pushed away. Mouse hovers near kick button...)
Am I asking for far too much? Should I have phrased my request more forcefully or not at all, just to let the MM play as he likes? I must admit that it irritated me enough that I wanted to kick the MM off the team.