Dual Pistols Underpowered?

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

My knowledge on the subject comes from Umbral and some other players that like playing the math game. I believe the numbers cited would have been DPS, which includes animation times: so it is middle of the road in performance by that analysis.

Me, I just go by comparison with other sets in the damage it does, and in comparison to other sets I've played. I find it doing as well, if not better than my EM/EM for AOE (and that guy is no slouch for it). And I don't even have Piercing Rounds slotted up yet.

I was expecting the animation style to be more straight up like those for the Thugs MM set, actually. I'm sure if they had went that route, we'd have a lot of people talkign about how they need an Equilibrium style animation.

I would agree that some alternate animations for some of the flashier animations would help these people out, but alas, they're probably on the same backburner as the alternate animations for Haymaker/Air Superiority and Footstomp for non-SS user animations.

I don't mind the flashyness, but I like options.

Well, Standard Ammo's knockback is quite noticeable mitigation when you're solo as a Blaster: I'll often toggle it when fighting a boss or harder mobs. The mobs take a little longer to drop than when using Fire ammo, but I'm noticeably safer even in that longer interlude. And I like that there is defense debuff somewhere: I'm enjoying the Achilles -res slotted into Pistols and Empty Clips. Works even when using Fiery Ammo!

But for the other two ammo types, I have to agree the debuffs stink. For a Blaster, you really should only use Fiery or Standard ammo (unless there are debuffs for your stuff to stack onto), from everything I've read and experienced on it.

Still, I think it's a good set for Blasters. The debuff issues do merit looking at, though, as each ammo type should offer viable benefits to choose from. I also wonder if Piercing Rounds should offer -res no matter what ammo is used, as toggle hopping to get benefits from that power is wonky (Standard Ammo might need an added benefit to offset this, like even higher -res, but it seems like a needed change). I personally don't bother, but that's a design issue as well.

Of course, if a cop just walked into a group of super powered villains, 75ft tall giant god-like creatures, they'd probably be dead, because you know...you're talking real world cops versus comic book universe cops.

The game is 6 years old and they STILL haven't figured out (despited the Defiance 2 thing) that Damage/Cast Time is the ONLY really important balance point. Kinda depressing.

Not entirely, Damage/Recharge Time is almost as important. You maximum DPS is limited by cast time, that is true but recharge time is also a factor since it impacts how often you can use the heavy hitting attacks as opposed to the lighter filler attacks and as a side issue how many attacks you need to take to fill out your attack chain.

Yea, but we can effect Recharge. We can't change cast time.

And at the highest levels of recharge all normal attacks are under 10 seconds. At that point it really is All about cast time.

It's not a penalty. But if you don't bother switching, it's just another average attack. If the tradeoff for weak damage is versatility, then it's less impressive, since most people will never see a payoff from that versatility given the extra steps you need to go through to get it.

Look, I've got a DP defender at 50 and my Corr is at 30 now, and it's not a weak set, but in order for it not to be weak you need to work a lot more than most other sets. DP vs anything is like regen vs willpower only minus the way regen is actually better in some situations.

Are you saying that Dual Pistols is never better than other sets?

I think that's the problem, right there.

People think they need to keep switching ammo for more damage.

I don't recall the ST DPS with PR's -resist (thusly using lethal rounds) vs always using Fire ROunds.

But, for me, I tend to stick to Fire Rounds, and switch to lethal when the team is facing the tough targets, that way the whole team takes advantage of the -resist. And I stay using lethal rounds the whole time (hard targets dont tend to get KBed).

There was a thread on that in the Blaster forums that you could check. I know you asked about Corruptors, but I don't frequent those forums too much. Not sure that a different AT matters much in determining an attack chain. I could be forgetting some obvious thing early in the morning, though.

Actually they have already done that in PVP, but I don't think they want to do it in PVE. The reason being that may make you happy with such changes, but as a result it might make someone else unhappy that their favorite powers are nerfed.