Hercules Titan woes


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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My lvl 42 scrapper met his first orange-conned Hercules Titan last night and found himself in the hospital about 45 seconds later. My scrapper is a MA/Inv build, pretty well slotted. I used all the defensive buffs and inspirations I had before engaging it but I scarcely made a dent.

Is there any way for the solo scrapper to kill these things?


 

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What was accompanying it? Hercules Titans are pretty nasty LTs but a single one should not cause serious problems for any reasonably well build character (let alone a Scrapper). You might need to move a bit to avoid the burn patch but other than that it should be a simple fight.

That being said Malta as a group are tough so my first thought is that while you were focused on the Titan some of the minions got you (or most likely a Sapper drained your blue bar).


 

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You have a Super Strength Scrapper?

I don't really have a problem with these, but if you deal lethal damage, they have high resistance. You also can't stand still with them, because they drop not only a burn patch but also a self-stacking mez patch. If you stand still, they can end up stacking a hold on you, which will suppress your toggles and let them beat the snot out of you.


Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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D'oh! No, it's Martial Arts. Fixed that.

Therer was a fair-sized mob behind him; maybe I did get whacked by a Sapper that I didn't see. Also, didn't know about the burn or mez patches. I did stand still, and he did beat the snot out of me, so I'll try it again with better footwork.

Thanks much for the help.


 

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Post-action report: Dancing like a butterfly and stinging like a bee, I took down the orange Zeus's with almost no damage and took down a red one without pulling out all the stops. Standing still was my problem.

Thanks again, you guys rock.


 

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Now what you gotta do is take down a Kronos Titan and you can call yourself a champ.


 

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Always check for sappers first when fighting Malta. I have a BS/INV and a BS/WP scrapper that can take these bad boys purple and I know you can too.


 

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Originally Posted by Tommy Troy View Post
Post-action report: Dancing like a butterfly and stinging like a bee, I took down the orange Zeus's with almost no damage and took down a red one without pulling out all the stops. Standing still was my problem.

Thanks again, you guys rock.
Zues, or Herc? Different mobs. Although, a Zues is just a boss herc.


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Silly Question:

Do you have Temp Invulnerability in your build?

Pre-Numbers, I would foolishly try to do without it. I'd get squished a lot.

EDIT: Heck I should ask: have you skipped any /Inv powers at all? The numbers are low for scrapper compared to Tanks, I usually need to take everything to get decent resists.


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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
A Zeus is not JUST a boss Herc. It's a boss herc that you get the COOL way.

We may have Malta's gunslinger pistols... and sort of have their sappers... but they've still got some cool toys we just can't get.
Indeed, they get VOLTRON!

*If you've never seen a Malta group with 2 Hercules Titan LT's in it do their thing then attack one and get it to about 50% and all things will be made clear. It's one of the cooler things to see in the game.

(I'd kind of like to be able to voltron two Zeus Titans into an EB version of the Kronos... that'd be cool)

Still, getting back to the OP I'm surprised that a mature scrapper is having issues at all with a single Herc; they've never seemed that dangerous to me on any of my characters. Sappers heck yes, and Gunslingers, particularly boss versions are nasty but while Hercs can hit hard they shouldn't pose a serious threat. A Zeus can be tough but Hercs have always seemed fairly normal. Harder to kill than a typical LT due to the resist but not overly dangerous. Step out of the burn patch and keep pounding.


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*If you've never seen a Malta group with 2 Hercules Titan LT's in it do their thing then attack one and get it to about 50% and all things will be made clear. It's one of the cooler things to see in the game.
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Also, was amusing for a little bit near the start of the mission architect; have a Hercules (or Natterling) as an ally; they tried to combine with you.... which auto-kills you

That has long since been patched


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Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome View Post
Still, getting back to the OP I'm surprised that a mature scrapper is having issues at all with a single Herc; they've never seemed that dangerous to me on any of my characters. Sappers heck yes, and Gunslingers, particularly boss versions are nasty but while Hercs can hit hard they shouldn't pose a serious threat. A Zeus can be tough but Hercs have always seemed fairly normal. Harder to kill than a typical LT due to the resist but not overly dangerous. Step out of the burn patch and keep pounding.
I don't think they're ridiculously dangerous to a Scrapper, but they got a lot more challenging with the AI changes that have them using all their ranged attacks even when in melee range. It's not really a problem with a lone LT, but it's really noticeable on a boss or if you get multiple LTs or a mix of bosses and LTs (on teams or higher settings). The hold stacking can get really ugly in a hurry. (It doesn't help that they can stack it with Gunslinger holds.)


Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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Originally Posted by Noxilicious View Post
Now what you gotta do is take down a Kronos Titan and you can call yourself a champ.
Been there done that.


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Originally Posted by Call Me Awesome View Post
I'm surprised that a mature scrapper is having issues at all with a single Herc; they've never seemed that dangerous to me on any of my characters. Sappers heck yes, and Gunslingers, particularly boss versions are nasty but while Hercs can hit hard they shouldn't pose a serious threat. A Zeus can be tough but Hercs have always seemed fairly normal. Harder to kill than a typical LT due to the resist but not overly dangerous. Step out of the burn patch and keep pounding.
Hercs I had seen and they are no sweat at all. These were the first Zeuses I had run into - two orange ones standing together. I tried the old take-down-one-come-back-later tactic but made almost no dent on the Zeus I was beating on and then couldn't move away when I was ready to scoot.

Later, after getting the advice of the previous posters, I had no trouble with the orange pair of Zeuses and handily beat the red Zeus. I guess I didn't notice the mez or burn patch the first time because there were an awful lot of those &@$% missiles flying and I lost my situational awareness.


 

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The Hercules Titans I eat for breakfast with my AR/Sonic Corruptor. :P


 

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Originally Posted by Tommy Troy View Post
My lvl 42 scrapper met his first orange-conned Hercules Titan last night and found himself in the hospital about 45 seconds later. My scrapper is a MA/Inv build, pretty well slotted. I used all the defensive buffs and inspirations I had before engaging it but I scarcely made a dent.

Is there any way for the solo scrapper to kill these things?
Welcome to Titanville, "Stupidly Overpoweredville."

These things are the main reason I avoid Malta missions these days, especially on non-shielded ATs. If you're well IO'ed out and keep moving, you can beat them as long as you are shielded.

Solo squishies? Not only do they have to outwit a five-minute stun from what seems like everyone else every time they round a corner, they have to contend with the Stupidly Overpowered here. Yeah.... its time to go find another Council mish.


 

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Maybe the gas grenade hold patch got you? I so hate those, as if the 30 sec+ stun that malta and knives get wasn't bad enough alone.