Superior Invisibility-Was it Nerfed?

I was running Posi part 2 last night with my Illusion/Empathy controller, and at least 3 times enemies saw thru Superior Invisibilty and started attacking me. I was under the impression that about the only thing that could see thru SI were Rikti drones. When I said something to the team, the other Ill/ troller said that she had been encountering the same thing, and thought it was a nerf released in I18. Did I miss something, and was the stealth from SI reduced? Really curious...

I think there is a stealth bug. I have noticed great fluctuation in the stealth power from certain powers from time to time. Such as having stealth (power pool) show up twice while in ouro in my tab for a total of 70ft. Zoned out and it dropped back to 35 feet. I know on a few occasions a buddy has been running Stealth and the Stealth IO and been seen on mishes by Clockwork and Outcasts.

However, I have not been able to reliable produce or see the effect consistently.

As far as I know no,

Are you sure you were waiting enough time between agro generating actions for agro to drop and to re-stealth.

Are you sure you wernt getting splashed by AoE Damage?

Are you sure that you were not sitting in a quicksand or earthquake patch made by CoT mages.

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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl [*]Watching out for the Spinning Disco Portal of D00M!*

I have had my suspicions about stealth and invis as well. I have been unable to intentionally recreate the situation, but on numerous occasions I have been attacked when no conditions I can see should have broken my status of stealth or invis. And before you question, yes, I am accounting for things like KoA, drones, Rularuu, AoE splash, etc.

My only thought is the effect has a timer and there may be a gap just large enough that if you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong moment, enemy critters are getting a long enough glimpse of your presence to aggro. Only a working theory, but seems to fit my experiences.

Edit: In every case I am in motion as well, like stealthing past some critters I don't want to engage yet.

There are a ton of factors that can cause something to attack you while stealthed/invis'd/Hidden. Here are a couple examples that might have applied to you:

1. Ambushes: Many ambush encounters will see through stealth. You mentioned Positron part 2. There are a couple ambushes to contend with there.

2. Mob v. party dynamics 1: Lets say your party engages a large mob. for the sake of argument lets assume the scrapper jumps in fist and attacks a single target. The scrapper then receives the brunt of the alpha and promptly keels over. Now the mob is looking for new targets. Even though you have -threat and stealth, you are a potential target (even more so if everyone else is running super speed or some other means of threat reduction). It is not unheard of for a stray unaggro'd mob to come try to punch you in the face.

3. Mob v. party dynamics 2: Like above but a little different. Lets say your blaster buddy manages to drop something at range without aggroing the rest of the group. You then come back from AFk not noticing the blaster whistling innocently. You start sneaking through the mob only to get jumped.

4. Stealth v. Threat Level: When you turn on Invis two things happen- your stealth goes up and the your threat level goes down. If you attack with superior invis on your stealth remains high, but your threat level goes back to normal. If there is a stray unaggro'd mob around the change in threat level could send them your way.

I haven't noticed anything different. What were you doing when you got attacked?

I haven't noticed anything different, either -- except that some of the newer content (like the newer Posi TF) has designed stuff to neutralize invisibility. I'm guessing this is to keep Stalkers from having too much of an advantage.

On occasions I'll see this on any toon I have with a stealth radius increase. I found the best way to remedy it is to toggle your stealth off and back on.

I noticed a little while ago that my Group Invisibility was broken as well. It was fine when I cast it to stealth through the mission, but once I stopped to click on the first glowie I was getting slammed throughout the rest of the mission until it wore off and I cast it again.

I checked my combat attributes and the Stealth effect was properly suppressing while I was interacting with the glowie, but it wasn't UNsuppressing afterward until I refreshed the power.

It was very consistent with that mission, but I haven't been able to reliably reproduce it.

I haven't pay attention to problems in SI, but I think I had couple "WTF?" moments with it recently. I'm going to pay more close attention to it from now.

I had few issues with SS + StealthIO though.
Here is the thread http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=230128.

You probably already know this, but you can monitor your PVE stealth value. You might want to monitor it and keep it visible so that you can maybe figure out exactly when you are losing stealth.

Lewis

I'm out of ideas. I can say I've been using the proc on my Mind/Ice Dominator for a long time without issue, although getting knocked out of inviso by crystals on CoT maps was a surprise the first few times until I figured out what was doing it. The only time I've otherwise been spotted has been against certain AVs and EBs, who seem to aggro-on-cast. Unless it's connected to something weird, like the Mutation buff or the end of HP boosting powers is being recorded as damage and thus unhiding you.

I believe i'm the other ill/emp she was referring to, and if so, no I don't even have group invis. I do recall in the past being able to steath a mission with SI and even click glowies without being spotted, but that's no longer the case. Thought maybe the changed it with one of the newer issues or something? idk ...