Brute most on par with Scrapper Damage levels?

What B_C said. But drastically change? Nahh, not really.

The first thread was designed around the concept of massive global recharge and tweaked up builds. In that thread the difference would be noticeable as fury would be dropped from the 90% I used there to the 75% I think to be the new cap for brutes when they aren't surrounded by tons of enemies attacking said brutes. Is the loss of 30% damage buff drastic? At first glance yea, but when you throw in all the other damage buffs it becomes less and less so.

The second thread, however, already used 75% fury as the baseline, so it shouldn't change at all.

well any Brute with AAO well out do any scraper w/o. but when u take 2ndary into the count things start geting a little messy. same as u could also start using recharge break point and things get even more messy. but some low dps at botem recharge range start to climb the ranks as u there recharge goes up.

problem with the info in the Rikti Pylon Results Thread is u dont know how high end thare build were. or in some cases what patch. so unhapply that info doesnt help alot. an agian recharge plays a big role in it. if u had a build for each combo and that had no inf limits. and then figerd out best attack chain then did the math. a dark/shield brute well do at the worse 10-15 DPS less then an = build scrapper.

You probably could have posted the link rather than the list. The primary difference between the pylon test and the analysis I did is that we have no idea what the builds look like for the vast majority of those posting where the ST analysis had everyone slotted equally.

What we can do is slap the two together and determine from that where brutes and scrappers are these days.

Example: Take Gaidin's 291 Dark Melee/Shield Defense scrapper build, remove crits, add fury, adjust for the lower buff values for SD and AAO and we should get a very close if not precise DPS value for the brute.

build and attack chian make a huge defrence.

ex.
262 Dual Blades/Electric Armor - Shadowsylph
223 Dual Blades/Super Reflexes - Shred Monkey
184 Dual Blades/Super Reflexes - Eva Destruction
155 Dual Blades/Super Reflexes - SnakeRogers

SR and elec are the same beast. just one is def based other is resist. so in dps mind frame it doesnt help/hurt.
thare all DB/ yet thare DPS are leaps and bounds apart.. the frist is a near purfectly IOed out build and a very well done attack chain. the bottem is more then likly an SO build with a hand full of IOs and just attack with what he just decided wood work best. no math or anything done to figer out best set up..

if more brutes took the Rikti Pylon challange to heart and we started a forum post here covering the results. the defrence from are top dps to thare top dps well be very very small. agian at worse 10-20 dps.

Well, if you want to use the Pylon threat as a damage metric...

See me there at 151? I can't remember the exact time that was (24 or 25 minutes I think).

Post I18, same build, same recharge, same number of fury generating greys, same attack chain I gave up at 50% of the pylon's health at the 38 minute mark.

I certainly understand what you guys are saying. I guess I just feel that if brutes were as capable of doing scrapper-esque damage as the forums portrayed then someone would have shown it to be that way in game by doing something that scrappers do just as well or better than them.

Brutes not doing it isn't definitive evidence that they couldn't, but at the same time there are a lot of brutes running around and if they are as receptive to min/maxing as suggested it just seems unlikely that people would choose to overlook tapping into them.

I'm not calling anybody a liar. But a few things seem odd on the pylon list. Like a tanker beating a brute at damage. Seriously? I am to believe this?

Answer carefully, because if I am to believe a Tanker can out damage a brute, I would like to turn that logic around on anyone that says a abrute cannot outdamage a scrapper. And if a Tanker can outdamage a brute, and a brute can outdamage a scrapper, then a Tank can out damage a scrapper. For my next trick I will show you how a Tanker can out damage a blaster. Keep feeding me weird "facts".

The tankers in question were superstrength or shield (or both) and probably running hasten with god knows how much global recharge. I do not... I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 45% global recharge (5 x 5%, 3 x 7.5% looks right).

lolblaws, while I do see your point, scrappers do tend to place more emphasis on their scrappers than they do their brutes. At least this is true for me and from reading the forums over the years, I've come to expect the same attitude from many of my scrapper brethren. It's even true for me even though I have twice as many brutes as scrappers.

B_C, again, we've no clue how that tank was built nor how the brute was built. If I have a brute with only 500 million inf invested using shield and super strength, meaning AAO and Rage, against an SM/WP brute without nothing but the occasional buildup and fury, yes, the tank could be dishing out more damage. Especially if the one has calculated a tight SS attack chain while the SM brute was just smashing away with whatever was up at the time.

I know how the brute was built.

"Poorly"

He's built for hit points - 2460ish - and even that could be optimized further I'm sure. 46% global recharge is just kind of there.

Well. Just smashed another pylon. 24 minutes, which is what I expected from my first attempt. I have NO idea what was the problem with the 'quit at 38 minutes half smashed' run. It was really soon after GR hit... perhaps server lag was higher than I anticipated? Though virtue is still red as it has been every day since I18.

Well, in any case... my place at the bottom of the list is secure another day. SMASH!