PvP IO and Purple drop
By
Alexander_Drako,
Posted on: 2010-09-26 21:17 in The Global Training Room Test Server
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first off, no one ever said it couldn't happen. it does but not to the degree you are trying to make it out to be. plain and simple. it may happen for anywhere form 10 mins to 2 hours but that is about as far as it can go for any given item. why don't you actually learn how to use the markets for what they are and not use them as a store where you want it nao. place some bids on what you are looking for and they will fill. i have placed bids, boughten what i need to craft other things and by the time i get in my base, i have what i placed bids on. that is how the markets are supposed to be used.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Dog
Au contraire, mon frere. "Peer review", (as you call it), is meaningless because it is not fact. It is a group of people who BELIEVE they understand it well enough to come to a consensus among themselves. Oh you certainly may have had some people who did different experiments, but a handful of experiments does not make a theory, a fact. It does not matter how many times you posted your opinion. Facts are facts and theories, regardless of how many agree with you, are only theories.
If I don't farm, but I say I know someone who farms, does that mean it's not happening or not a fact because you and 10 other people may deny it's happening? I stated market manipulation as a fact since I have personal knowledge of people doing it. And you may rightly challenge that as a fact if you like, but you are not disproving it if you can not show contrary evidence, like FACTS. For instance, you can say "I know no one that can do it" and that may be a FACT. To say "It is impossible" is a THEORY that you believe. A theory is an explanation of facts, without any facts your theory doesn't hold water. That's where you, mac and a couple others are off base. You think you don't need facts because some others agree with you. That's nonsense. Your Peer Review claim is entirely a consensus OPINION, or at best a THEORY. Your peer review is not fact nor contrary evidence. Since you obviously can't produce FACTS and have no proof to support your assertion that market manipulation is impossible, I will lower the bar for you. Show me some post by a red name that says market manipulation is impossible. |
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You really a piece of work, I mean you started in on this by berating other people on the boards for being wrong and you can't even understand what wrong is.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
Which has been shown wrong, and yet you never replied to that.
If you can see that Stealth IO for 555 in the recent history, it's not "going for 100M". The fact that someone is willing to pay 100M for a level 15 is not a statement about Stealth IOs in general. Seriously, how is this hard for you to understand? |
There isn't a Celerity stealth that has its last sale for less than 40 mil and most are in 100 mil + ranges with some peaking as high as 200 mil.
Just how desperate to be right are you ?
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| That's called 'peer review', which is the polar opposite of I know a guy who did something and made a lot of inf, therefor MANIPULATION! |
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But is every single stealth IO on the market currently listed as equal to or greater than 100 million infamy/influence/information? No. No they're not.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
You really a piece of work, I mean you started in on this by berating other people on the boards for being wrong and you can't even understand what wrong is.
There isn't a Celerity stealth that has its last sale for less than 40 mil and most are in 100 mil + ranges with some peaking as high as 200 mil. |
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LOL no they aren't but I never said they were.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
But is every single stealth IO on the market currently listed as equal to or greater than 100 million infamy/influence/information? No. No they're not.
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Oh, I think I have some idea of what wrong is...|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
You really a piece of work, I mean you started in on this by berating other people on the boards for being wrong and you can't even understand what wrong is.
There isn't a Celerity stealth that has its last sale for less than 40 mil and most are in 100 mil + ranges with some peaking as high as 200 mil. |
Edit: OK, I came back after I said I was done. I couldn't resist. Fan finally posted something concrete I could respond to. I guess I can see why he didn't before.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I'm not nearly as insane as you are so here's only 3 |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
Oh, I think I have some idea of what wrong is...
Edit: OK, I came back after I said I was done. I couldn't resist. Fan finally posted something concrete I could respond to. I guess I can see why he didn't before. |
A level 50 crafted fury of the gladiator dam/rech is going for 12 million currently
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Ouch!| OK, I came back after I said I was done. I couldn't resist. Fan finally posted something concrete I could respond to. I guess I can see why he didn't before. |
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I'm just going to let other people respond to the fact that you based all this off of crafted enhancers.|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
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Remember, you were the one coming into an argument on how much effort was involved on obtaining these. Yeah, those of us regulars in the Market forum do live off of the lagresse of people too disinterested, lazy or uninformed in finding the cheapest thing, but are you really going to try and argue that the higher price for something (crafted vs. not) is representative of the effort people need to expend to obtain it?
Nah, don't answer that. I know you will, because the key part of the question is "are you really going to ... argue".
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Fury of the gladiator recipe is going for 1 million at level 50.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I'm just going to let other people respond to the fact that you based all this off of crafted enhancers.
Remember, you were the one coming into an argument on how much effort was involved on obtaining these. Yeah, those of us regulars in the Market forum do live off of the lagresse of people too disinterested, lazy or uninformed in finding the cheapest thing, but are you really going to try and argue that the higher price for something (crafted vs. not) is representative of the effort people need to expend to obtain it? Nah, don't answer that. I know you will, because the key part of the question is "are you really going to ... argue". |
So back to that whole its not remotely as hard to obtain stealth IOs as it is PVP IOs the answer would be ?
Its good to see you are consistent.
I am, Fan. I've always said this was about the categories. You just don't understand what I mean by that, or you don't care.
So neither do I. ""
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Consider me another fan of UberGuy!
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
I am, Fan. I've always said this was about the categories. You just don't understand what I mean by that, or you don't care.
So neither do I. " " |
It was never about the categories, and it was never about facts as far as you were concerned.
You put the last nails in that coffin with the most recent posts
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
A level 50 crafted fury of the gladiator dam/rech is going for 12 million currently.
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Aren't you an English teacher or something?|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
it was never about facts as far as you were concerned.
You put the last nails in that coffin with the most recent posts |
I ask because I have no idea how you can post those words, have them mean what I think they mean, and be serious. I really don't.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Aren't you an English teacher or something?
I ask because I have no idea how you can post those words, have them mean what I think they mean, and be serious. I really don't. |
If I were, I'd call your elementary school and demand they ask you back for basic vocabulary. Maybe pictures work better for you
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| | _______________ Stealth Prices |----------------------------------------------- PVP Prices ___________________________________________
Are these two sets remote ?
Or are they contiguous.
If you have trouble here are a couple of links
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/contiguous
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/remote
Heh.
I understand your diagrams. I understood the first ones. I bet a lot of other posters did to.
I just don't see how you can't get that they don't help you. They don't make what I said wrong, because what I said was a valid generalization. That's what you don't get. You're arguing for a specification of the generalization because there are exceptions to it. I'm arguing that the generalization holds regardless of how many Venn diagrams you post showing how the exceptions overlap. Especially when they overlap to the extent that prices here really do if you accurately depict the scale of the overlap relative to the size of the sets involved. I am willing to bet you won't try to do that scale depiction, though.
The beauty of it is that no one else cares about what you're arguing. Even the people on the other side of the argument in which that was said didn't care. I'm positive they could have run out and found examples of Pool A/C/D rares that cost more on the market than some purples do. They didn't need to, because they understood the point that was being communicated, and calling out exceptions to it that way wasn't germane to the point being made.
And you really don't get that, and that just amazes me to no end.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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You are still missing it. Its not about me being wrong or right. Its about you squirming to come up with new ways you are right. It was always about you beating on the original posters about trivial points and not being able to acknowledge your own errors.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
Heh.
I understand your diagrams. I understood the first ones. I bet a lot of other posters did to. I just don't see how you can't get that they don't help you. They don't make what I said wrong, because what I said was a valid generalization. That's what you don't get. You're arguing for a specification of the generalization because there are exceptions to it. I'm arguing that the generalization holds regardless of how many Venn diagrams you post showing how the exceptions overlap. Especially when they overlap to the extent that prices here really do if you accurately depict the scale of the overlap relative to the size of the sets involved. I am willing to bet you won't try to do that scale depiction, though. The beauty of it is that no one else cares about what you're arguing. Even the people on the other side of the argument in which that was said didn't care. I'm positive they could have run out and found examples of Pool A/C/D rares that cost more on the market than some purples do. They didn't need to, because they understood the point that was being communicated, and calling out exceptions to it that way wasn't germane to the point being made. And you really don't get that, and that just amazes me to no end. |
Its hardly the first time you have done this, I suspect you will go to your grave denying minor errors, that you could never make.
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Whew. That's a good thing!|
Originally Posted by Another_Fan
You are still missing it. Its not about me being wrong or right.
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| Its about you squirming to come up with new ways you are right. It was always about you beating on the original posters about trivial points and not being able to acknowledge your own errors. |
Revel in your self-declared victory. There was nothing to be won in any case.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Its hardly the first time you have done this, I suspect you will go to your grave denying minor errors, that you could never make. |
Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.
P.S. If its not clear you're both IMNSHO annoying .
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I'd suspect you'd be wrong, considering he was right and knocked your counterpoints flat even after you did your best to change them.
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Its hardly the first time you have done this, I suspect you will go to your grave denying minor errors, that you could never make.
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This was my claim|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
I'd suspect you'd be wrong, considering he was right and knocked your counterpoints flat even after you did your best to change them.
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| Stealth IOs are currently are in the 100 mil+ range you can regularly obtain PvP IOs and purples for considerably less. |
And just how did he refute that ?
But if you would like to talk about changing claims.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy  I have to say that I feel you're seemingly arguing an extremely slippery slope, here. All IOs are not the same in terms of either "power level" or difficulty to obtain. Stealth IOs are not even remotely as hard to obtain as purples or PvP IOs. |
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| "Cars on highways drive faster than cars on downtown streets." |
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Yeah but I am old, what's his excuse ?
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Originally Posted by B_L_Angel
Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle.
P.S. If its not clear you're both IMNSHO annoying . |
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I find it amusing that anyone other than one of AF's fellow, ah, unreality enthusiasts is taking exception to Uber here.|
Originally Posted by B_L_Angel
P.S. If its not clear you're both IMNSHO annoying .
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Being "annoying" in the service of truth and reality is a badge of honor.
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Have fun yukking it up with the other flatliners on my ignore list.
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