Hero merits are deletable

Just got 16 of my Hero Metis re-instated by the wonderful GM's, but am perplexed that they ARE DELETABLE!!!! I think something so hard to earn shouldn't be deletable!!! PERIOD! Apparently late one night, during a time of server lag, I was deleting some useless salvage and must have clicked on my Hero Merits. (instead of what was next to them) So beware when deleting salvage, I wouldn't want the stress of lost Hero Merits to be experianced by anyone. So..... Devs..... how bout making Hero and Reward Merits NON-DELETABL!!!! Thanks, Shakey

They get deleted if you go Vigilante too. The fact they can be deleted is by design. However, as you've so perfectly demonstrated, perhaps they should be deleted by the system only.

Woh...yeah... That doesn't sound WAI to me.

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Are Reward Merits and Vanguard Merits deletable too?

I understand those merits are deleted automatically by the game when you switch alignments. But for the life of me I can't really see a purpose for why a player would ever want to manually delete them, regardless of their intrinsic value. I never bothered to look into the "delete-ability" of the various types of merits but I'm actually surprised the game allows players to manually delete any of them in the first place. *shrugs*

Here's a friendly PSA: Don't delete them.

To save yourself from deleting anything that's not Inventions salvage, be sure to click on your Inventions tab. That way, you'll only see Inventions, so you know you can't delete (or sell) anything you didn't mean to.

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And back.

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect Reward Merits and Vanguard Merits can't be deleted to my knowledge

Just to let folks know, you can in fact delete Reward and Vanguard Merits currently. Deleted one of each, just to make sure it goes through with it. Option to delete single and stack is available currently.

So, be very careful now when deleting stacks of salvage.

Can even delete AE tickets.

Why do they even delete on alignment switch? It's not like you can use them if you're not a Hero anyway.

Tip one use the tabs. Stay off the the "All Tab" unless you are just checking numbers. But myself I always hated that all tab.

Maybe we should bug this, to make sure it's working as intended.

Just as a suggestion.. and I realize at times while in a mission you MAY delete a few things hoping for something better but DON'T delete unwanted salvage SELL it! Hey you get 250 INF for common and 1000 for uncommon that's not a huge amount but why waste it? And if you do that instead of deleting you never need to worry about deleting anything you don't want gone for good.


As far as I know Reward Merits and Vanguard Merits can't be deleted although honestly I have never TRIED.. and never will. It does make sense that the reason the Hero/Villain merits can be deleted is because they auto delete if you switch to Vigilante/Rogue. Maybe they need a pop up that would ask .. DO you really want to delete these? It already exists for salvage when you sell it. You get a message not only asking "Do the want to continue?" but it even lists the recipes you have (including memorized ones) that require that piece of salvage.

I dunno, I think the word quote is perfectly valid. Why change it when they can save time / energy / take the path of least resistance and use the current code (invention / base item salvage) to make the new (Vanguard / Reward Merits) and the really new (Hero / Villain Merits)? (yes I do understand there is a positively beneficial reason to, but there is a legitimate reason not to as well)

And while I will agree there is no positively beneficial reason to allow salvage which is (nearly) limitless in space to be deletable, there is a legitimate reason they did it that way. And yes, there is a difference. :P

I just found it funny that what you said before you knew all salvage was deletable was still perfectly valid after you found it out. You went from "Salvage B is not deletable, so they did extra work to make Salvage C deletable, that makes no sense" to "Salvage B is deletable, so did no extra work to make Salvage C deletable, that makes no sense".

Personally, though, I'm impressed it took this long for the forums (as a general whole) to realize that all salvage, even ones you don't want deleted, are able to be deleted. I certainly never thought to try it, and if it hadn't been done on accident by someone, I doubt we the forums would have ever known. I probably doubt it even crossed the Dev's mind to check it.

Which means it is something to change. There certainly is no beneficial reason to have it the way it is.

I think you are getting yourself majorly confused about what I said.

I ALWAYS knew that ALL kinds of SALVAGE was deletable.
I THOUGHT that ALL kinds of MERITS were NOT deletable, at least initially.

Salvage does not equal merits for the purposes of this discussion and never did.
Let's try to make sure we are all talking apples and oranges here.

Because I thought that the old kinds of merits were undeletable I initially thought it was strange that the new kind were deletable. At that point it seemed to me like they went out of their way to change the way merits worked, in a bad way.

Now that I know the old merits are also deletable I better understand why they made these new alignment merits work exactly like the old types of merits. I'm a software engineer IRL so obviously it was easier for the the Devs to simply "cut-n-paste" the functionality of the old types of merits when they were creating these new type of merits.

But even though that was the easiest way for them to create the new kind of merits I still do not consider it "legitimate" in any form or fashion. It was simply expedient. All the Devs did was (lazily?) copy the undesirable ability to delete the old types of merits to the new type of merit. I don't consider the ability for a player to shoot themselves in the foot by accidentally deleting merits (any kind of merit) to be strictly "legitimate" do you?

I think you are confusing the word "legitimate" with the word "consistent". It's true they consistently made all the merits work the same way. But I would strongly argue that consistent way is equally unnecessary and should be changed for all merit types.