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I think this post might answer some of your questions: http://coh103.gtm.cityofheroes.com/s...95&postcount=2
Basically, "regular" IO set recipes cost 1-2 Alignment Merits, Purples cost 20, and PvPs cost 25-35.
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What do Alignment Merits Buy? All IO Sets Most common to rare recipes are 1 A-Merit each recipe within the Set Unique and Special rare recipes are 2 A-Merits each Purple Ultra Rare recipes are 20 A-Merits each PvP Recipes: 25-35 A-Merits each |
Anyone have a list of these??
and isnt that super expensive btw??
A 35 A-Merit pvp io, 35 x 50 Reward Merits = 1750
35 x 20 Million = 700
So for 1 pvp IO you need 1750 Reward Merits and 700 Million inf ! !
Not to mention in takes 35 days to buy!
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Note that the cost/time you're putting on those is only if you convert the reward merits. A-Merits can still be earned by completing morality missions and affirming your heroic/villainous status. Cuts off a lot of time, and inf when you add in the earned a-merits.
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Actually, that sounds much cheaper than I recall.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
Anyone have a list of these??
and isnt that super expensive btw?? A 35 A-Merit pvp io, 35 x 50 Reward Merits = 1750 35 x 20 Million = 700 So for 1 pvp IO you need 1750 Reward Merits and 700 Million inf ! ! Not to mention in takes 35 days to buy! |
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I agree they're still not cheap. Nor should they be, considering the bonuses they offer.| and isnt that super expensive btw?? |
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Many players are just using their A-merits to buy random recipe rolls, crafting and selling the enhancements, to raise inf to buy the recipes/enhancements they want on the market.
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Bingo! |
Originally Posted by Catastrophe
Many players are just using their A-merits to buy random recipe rolls, crafting and selling the enhancements, to raise inf to buy the recipes/enhancements they want on the market.
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I've only bothered to do this a few times so far (trade in an A-merit for 5 random level 50 recipes) but each time I've managed to craft those recipes and sell them for far more than the 20 million INF it'd take even if you just "bought" that A-merit via the conversion cost.
Basically if you're looking to get Purple/PvP IOs it's easier to use A-merits to generate INF (via crafted recipes) to get them from the market as opposed to directly buying them with 20+ A-merits. Based on the results I've seen I think anyone could get any Purple/PvP recipe they wanted within say 2 weeks as a worst case scenario.
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Remember that you're not obligated to cash in reward merits and inf for A-merits. From the second reinforcement of your alignment on, you're granted the A-merit outright.|
Originally Posted by Donna_
A 35 A-Merit pvp io, 35 x 50 Reward Merits = 1750
35 x 20 Million = 700 So for 1 pvp IO you need 1750 Reward Merits and 700 Million inf ! ! Not to mention in takes 35 days to buy! |
It's only the first reinforcement where you're granted 50 reward merits, which you can choose to convert. You can also convert extra reward merits and inf to get A-merits faster, but it's by no means required.
Most of the high-end rares, such as the LotG +7.5 recharge, the Numina's +regen/+recov or the Miracle +recov are 2 A-merits (iirc, the Performance Shifter +end proc is 1 merit).
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It's meant to be expensive. When purples first came out, people asked loudly for a way to buy them. At the time the devs said, if they ever did, it would be incredibly expensive, because the drops themselves are incredibly rare.|
Originally Posted by Donna_
Anyone have a list of these??
and isnt that super expensive btw?? A 35 A-Merit pvp io, 35 x 50 Reward Merits = 1750 35 x 20 Million = 700 So for 1 pvp IO you need 1750 Reward Merits and 700 Million inf ! ! Not to mention in takes 35 days to buy! |
It's an option made available to us now, but no one ever said it would be the best option.
A-Merits are however an incredibly good deal when it comes to normal rares.
You can pay 240 Reward Merits for a Numina Unique, or you can convert 100 of them for 40million and still have 140 left over.
A lot of people balk at the 20mil conversion charge at first, but once you realize how easy it is to get something worth much much more than 20 million, you can quickly find ways to get good stuff for any of your characters much faster than you could before. Not to mention it's amazingly solo friendly.
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I've used A-merits to buy lower level IO that just weren't available to buy at any price.
Typically I'd limit myself to use A-merits for things that cost over 50M inf per merit to buy at auction. I use that number amount because it's easy to remember and that's approxtimately what I could get by buying LoTGs or Numina procs and selling them.
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I admit I thought that 20 million INF value was a bit steep at first myself. |
Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
A lot of people balk at the 20mil conversion charge at first, but once you realize how easy it is to get something worth much much more than 20 million, you can quickly find ways to get good stuff for any of your characters much faster than you could before. Not to mention it's amazingly solo friendly.
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But to embellish on what I mentioned earlier each time I've used an A-merit to roll for 5 rare recipes I've been able to craft and sell those 5 for a combined 50-100 million INF on the markets. Obviously there is some randomness to it and I'm sure it's possible to roll unlucky and lose INF on the deal (assuming you choose to spend 20 million on a conversion). All I can say is that I've seen nothing but net gains so far.
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I've got 18 days left of farming to get my +3% def PvP IO and my +3% DR PvP IO at 3-3.5 hours a night. About an hour to farm the 50 reward merits, another half hour for 5 tip missions and the morality mission on the night it's available. Do this on my two main characters. Email the IO earned on the second character to the first when done.
After that, I can go back to actually playing the game instead of farming it. Total cost of these two IOs?
24 days
960 million inf
2400 reward merits
72 game hours
Or something like that.
While I could farm for the inf (4 billion versus 960 million) and place bids on the market, I seriously doubt I'd have them both pop up within the next 18 days.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Bingo!
Basically if you're looking to get Purple/PvP IOs it's easier to use A-merits to generate INF (via crafted recipes) to get them from the market as opposed to directly buying them with 20+ A-merits. Based on the results I've seen I think anyone could get any Purple/PvP recipe they wanted within say 2 weeks as a worst case scenario. |
1 - that the purple or pvp IO is available at any price and
2 - that you get lucky with the RNG on pvp IOs selling at the maximum bid price
personally, the only IO that might be worth buying with merits is the pvp 3% to all defense. it's going to cost you 2 billion on the market and more than that off market. and if you are unlucky going the market route, your 2 billion bid could sit there a lot longer than a couple of weeks.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
A lot of people balk at the 20mil conversion charge at first, but once you realize how easy it is to get something worth much much more than 20 million, you can quickly find ways to get good stuff for any of your characters much faster than you could before. Not to mention it's amazingly solo friendly.
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First run through. Spent 20 million on an A-merit.
Spent A-merit on 5 random rares.
Sold one random rare (listed at 5 inf) for 61 million.
... works for me.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
/this.
First run through. Spent 20 million on an A-merit. Spent A-merit on 5 random rares. Sold one random rare (listed at 5 inf) for 61 million. ... works for me. |
My first time, I spent the 20 mil, and got the 5 random recipes, sold all 5 for 30 mil. Ok, not too bad, still made a profit.
My second time, on another character, I spent the 20 mil, got the 5 random recipes, and sold all five for maybe 5 mil max.
Then again, I typically have horrible luck with drop rates and random rolls. I found that, for me, it was much more efficient to just run several characters through morality missions and buy the recipes outright. Only took me a week and a half to get the 5 LotG recharges I needed for my Widow, and it was a guaranteed thing. Whereas if I were to continue on with the random rolling, it could have taken me a lot longer to raise the amount of influence to purchase all 5 on the market. Then again, I could have gotten lucky and gotten some great recipes from the random rolls; but I'm not a gambling man and prefer to go for the sure thing.
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What confuses me is why we needed to have an additional unit of currency in the form of A-merits.
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A) it's not a currency. It's a token system.|
Originally Posted by BBQ_Pork
What confuses me is why we needed to have an additional unit of currency in the form of A-merits.
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B) just as with every set of tokens they add, it lets them limit the earning of those to certain conditions and times. V-Merits when you do things for Vanguard. H-Merits when you do heroic stuff as a Hero. V-Merits when you do stuff as a villain. It also lets them set up a vendor with a cooldown timer, without messing with existing (working) code.
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I like the new system to be honest with you, being able to pick which PvP IO I would like has a huge appeal to me, even if it takes forever and a day.
Does anyone know if the Merits are transferrable? (assuming the worst and thinking they won't be)
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Pretty sure they are not, just like any other kind of merits.
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Originally Posted by Donna_
Does anyone know if the Merits are transferrable? (assuming the worst and thinking they won't be) |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
So, does anyone have the list of PvP IO's and A or V Merits costs for each one?
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Last time I checked there were 4 recipes running around 60-65M INF/A-Merit: LotG +Rech, Miracle +Rec, Kin Cmbt D/E/R (I think, may have been the D/R) and the Glad Armor +Def.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I admit I thought that 20 million INF value was a bit steep at first myself.
But to embellish on what I mentioned earlier each time I've used an A-merit to roll for 5 rare recipes I've been able to craft and sell those 5 for a combined 50-100 million INF on the markets. Obviously there is some randomness to it and I'm sure it's possible to roll unlucky and lose INF on the deal (assuming you choose to spend 20 million on a conversion). All I can say is that I've seen nothing but net gains so far. |
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Yeesh. That's a heck of a lot of time investment. |
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I've got 18 days left of farming to get my +3% def PvP IO and my +3% DR PvP IO at 3-3.5 hours a night. About an hour to farm the 50 reward merits, another half hour for 5 tip missions and the morality mission on the night it's available. Do this on my two main characters. Email the IO earned on the second character to the first when done.
After that, I can go back to actually playing the game instead of farming it. Total cost of these two IOs? 24 days 960 million inf 2400 reward merits 72 game hours Or something like that. While I could farm for the inf (4 billion versus 960 million) and place bids on the market, I seriously doubt I'd have them both pop up within the next 18 days. |
(Not sure what the "DR" stands for there, I'm assuming that's the 'Shield Wall' +3% Resistance one?).
That's the thing I really hate about the current state of the market. I don't agree with prices being so overinflated that you can't buy and sell them within the 2 billion influence cap.
I've been farming PVP IOs on and off over the past year or so. Even after the drop rate nerf (when they implemented the 10-minute cooldown timer) I've received hundreds of them in total: I've kept two of the Defence Procs in storage on an alt simply because they never appear on the market and I've a few theoretical builds in Mids that I might get around to rolling someday. If the market price of these was sensible enough that you could actually buy and sell them when you need them, I'd feel no need to stockpile the ones I get as drops. I suspect I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
(For anyone wondering: Yes, farming PVP IOs has been and still is very profitable. I strongly enourage people to try it because it greatly increases the supply of these IOs which drives the crazy prices down. I no longer concentrate on it because a few months ago it got to the point where all my 50s were "full up" and I needed to roll another alt simply to store funds on. Sadly an overabundance of influence does not help whenever the stuff you might want to spend it on is not available on the market at any price...)
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Partially here, the detailed lists have not yet been completed. But you could always help those fine Wiki people out. |
Originally Posted by Donna_
So, does anyone have the list of PvP IO's and A or V Merits costs for each one?
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The issue with the 2b inf PVP IO is not overinflated price, but insufficient supply. If more were available, their price would come down markedly.
Before GR, the +3% Resist PVP was available at level 50 for about a billion inf.
I'm guessing Billz doesn't want it at level 50.
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Does anyone have any information about the new merit system and how we can use it to get recipes of our choices?
Is there a Chart anywhere saying what you need to get certain sets etc etc...
Basically anything that anyone knows about it please as Wiki is very vague.
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