AE: Hall of Fame Requirements Should be Reduced

The current Hall of Fame requirements are ridiculously out of proportion considering the current level of plays AE arcs are receiving since I15 was released. The current HoF requirements are 1000 or more plays with a 5 star rating.

Some data:

There are 7 HoF arcs. All were published between 4/8/09 and 4/19/09. AE was released on 4/8/09.

Currently there are only 10 out of 67,901 arcs with over 100 plays that have maintained a 5 star rating. Of those, 6 were published during 4/09, 2 in 6/09, 1 in 11/09 and 1 in 2/10. So 8 of 10 were published pre-I15 (June 30 2009).

The arc closest to reaching HoF status was published within the first week of AE's release and currently has 903 plays. It has been averaging 10 plays a month over the last six months. This means we can expect it to reach HoF in about ten months.* The second closest is a year away and the third is 3.74 years away.

In contrast the arc published post I-15 that is closest to reaching HoF currently has 239 plays. At an average of ten plays a month it will reach HoF in about 6.34 years

In summary, it appears that any arc not published before I15 has no real chance of achieving Hall of Fame status and even those published before will take a long time getting there. Seeing that this is the only way other than receiving a Developer's Choice that a player is granted another free arc slot, I feel it needs to be adjusted to a more realistic and achievable goal. My suggestion is this:

100 plays 5 star average = Hall of Fame

WN

This is the short version. The more detailed version that features data from the last six month's HoF Stats can be found: HERE

* Please not that all numbers assume the maintaining of a 5 star average, no easy feat.

I couldn't agree more and with the current requirements there will NEVER be another Hall of Famer. Not because there isn't excellent work worthy of being in the HOF. There just will never be enough people voting and playing to EVER get that many votes.

This game has such an awesome tool in the AE building and so many people still have no clue what is happening in there.

Some people spend countless hour on ARC's that are amazing but don't even get 1 rating. Do you know how disappointing that can be? It really discourages you from ever putting your heart and soul into ARC's when you feel like nobody ever plays them. When I get just 1 rating I am motivated to create more content.

Would be great for players new and old to revamp the entire AE experience. So much could be done by NCsoft to showcase this amazing tool.

First lower the requirements for HOF where they are now is just repulsive. Second weeding out ARC's that are just people messing around. The ARC's people have spent tons of hours on are mixed with people just testing/playing around on how AE works.

There needs to be rewards for playing AE that goes beyond farming tickets. Badges, badges, badges. One of the easiest things that could be added to motivate people. Maybe a You played 100 player created mission badge or the like. Costume pieces, ANYTHING, it doesn't have to be monetary.

Would it kill NCsoft to hold a contest for the AE? I mean what an EXCELLENT tool there for a contest. Just holding some sort of contest for best ARC or something would add so much heat to AE the building might catch fire.

Anyway I hope one day NCsoft hears us quiet developers of AE content. We're here and would like the opprotunity to share our work with others. yet we are buried among missions people have just created for farming. It's completely discouraging.

This suggestion meets my criteria:
Makes sense.
Has little-to-no downside.
Is presented in a logical, well-written manner.
Has data.


I support this suggestion and would like to see it implemented.

Disclaimer: with my arcs averaging no higher than 4 stars, it will not do me a lick of good personally.

I've been following your other thread and pretty much agree with you across the board. As one of the authors in question (with two arcs that meet the criteria), I've given up on Hall of Fame and, given recent lack of developer activity in the AE, Dev's Choice. My first arc, with over 250 plays, gets *maybe* ten runs a month. The second arc, with just over 110, gets less than five - if that. In short, there's no incentive to write a third arc save for the "joy" of writing.

That said, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. A farm arc that was written on a particularly good day could feasibly meet your criteria and get HoF before a dev does anything about it - IF a dev does anything about it. Heck, going at it with the knowledge that all it takes is 100 5 star runs, a person can write a mediocre to bad arc and make the grade using some well-timed advertising among friends and SG mates.

In short, as much as I'd LOVE your criteria and, honestly, think it *should* be considered. 100 runs would also require significantly more developer interaction with the AE system in order to insure quality than I believe they're willing to give. Realistically, 200 or 250 runs might be a better compromise.

In any case, thank you VERY MUCH for your hard work in promoting this issue.

I agree with this thread.

I already hold the idea nothing I make could remotely be called special but I have played some A-Arcs that I felt were really really good.

The Arc- system is a fantastic piece of work but it suffers by having the good overshadowed by the bad. If the good stuff had an easier chance of getting recognition then maybe.. just maybe... more people could enjoy the talent some Co* gamers have.

I agree wholeheartedly with cleaning out the "dead" arcs and with revamping the rating system. Both of these however are not required to adjust HoF. As far as I can tell fixing HoF would be as simple as removing one zero from the number required. I feel this could easily and quickly be implemented.


WN

You beat me to the punch on your post. And you misunderstand where I'm coming from. I agree wholeheartedly that quality arcs with 100 legitimate plays with a 5 star rating are deserving of HoF or some other reward as the AE currently stands. I simply think that, because of the TOTAL lack of dev involvement right now, scamming the system to get 100 runs is doable and will be done just so people can say they did it... for the badge or the bragging rights or something.

Ideally it would be 100 runs at 5 stars and the devs would devote at least enough time to make sure abuses are culled. It wouldn't be hard for them to do. Unfortunately, they've demonstrated that their attention to *anything* is feast or famine. Look at Dr. Aeon's original slavish devotion to AE as compared to his current conspicuous abscence. You have to plan for the worst case scenario... that absence. That "miniscule .0001472% would likely be higher if farms hadn't been culled. I've personally reported several of them that had 100 runs with high ratings simply because of farming word of mouth. The key was they were culled... eventually. Now - would you bet any of your hard earned money that a dev would even notice?

I'd be down with forming a group whose whole goal is to, say, once a month, hold an AE contest with big prizes, similar to what we see with the old PvP events people used to have.



I actually have been working on an arc idea that is a Riddler style arc that I plan on releasing, with the 1st person who successfully completes the arc and "solves" it getting a reward of some part. I don't want to go much more in to it than that, but would be fun.

We could have a theme or concept each month that must be incorporated into the arc, and then have a panel of judges who rate the arcs. Have people submit their arc in the forums, have the panel play them, then have a winner announced?

I dunno...just trying to figure out how we could garner more support and excitement for the AE in the general public.

Excellent idea!

Sure why not. Make em 100. Most arcs are lucky to get that many votes now a days thanks to all the devs haphazard whiplash inducing changes.

This is an idea that is long over-due and would do more than anything else I can thing of to help revive interest in MA.

I know this is a fairly defeatist thing to say but I knew the Devs effectively gave up on significantly caring about the Architect system after they gutted roughly 80 badges from the game related to it. Basically it appears that the Architect system has gone the way of SG base building and raiding.

I'm glad there are still some people out there who care about the Architect system and keep the hope alive. Obviously the Hall of Fame requirements need to change to reflect the current realities of the situation. But at this point I'll be fairly surprised if that ever happens. *shrugs*

Well, now that Dr. Aeon sems to have returned, maybe he's looking at some of this stuff. We have another contest, and he's re-opened the Dev's Choice Suggestion thread. There haven't been any hints of anything else, but they have to be re-thinking the HoF problem, and a junk purge just seems inevitable.

As for the rest... one can only hope.

Another month's HoF data has been posted and it can be found HERE.

WN