Open Powers Earlier, APP/Patrons at level 35

The upcoming inherent Fitness Pool is cool news, it will allow a lot of characters to try out some powers they couldn't fit in their build before. To help maximize that variety, it would be nice if characters could (if they choose) take all five Ancillary/Patron Pool powers. This is why I propose moving access to these pools to level 35.

In conjunction with this, I would also open up Primary and Secondary powers earlier, so characters have access to every power by level 32 (as opposed to the current 38). This would give characters more powers to choose from as they level, which is fun, and adds a little more variety to the leveling up process.

I think having all the Primary/Secondary powers available by level 32 is also nice because that's the point where leveling transitions from the more power-focused "2 slots, 1 power" pattern to the upgrade-focused "3 slots, 3 slots, 1 power".

I realize this change would take some work, particularly moving the Patron arcs down to level 34, and there's probably other problems that haven't occured to me, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone agrees with the general idea.

there is no need for this. and it would require an entire rewrite of the leveling system.

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I like the idea of APP/Patrons being opened up earlier. But I don't see a need for the other powers opening up earlier. I'm thinking that would create unintended consequences.

Touching primary and secondary powers is a bad idea. They're fine as they are.

However, I would very, very much be on board for opening up Epics earlier. As someone who stick to mostly primary and secondary powers (because most pools aren't that impressive), I can tell you one thing: by about level 28, I run out of "choices." Each level gives me exactly one power to pick - the power that opened up that level. 32, 35 and 38 all give me one power to pick from: final primary, penultimate secondary power and final secondary power, respectively.

I suggest we open up Epics at level 35, with Tiers designated thusly:

35: T1 Epic powers, which is the first and second of the pool.
38: T2 Epic powers, which is the third and fourth power of the pool.
44: T3 Epic power, which is the final power of the pool.

This both gives us more options for a build in real time, as well as allowing us to take our final Epic power earlier, thus never running into the 47+ slot problems.

In fact, I'd actually go 32 -> 38 -> 44

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I just don't see this as a good thing. Aside from the massive rewrites and *even more* potential to gut a build, it takes some of the "kick" out of the 40s. Couple extra slots at 50 - why not. This - no thanks.

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I really don't see how these powers can "gut a build," especially with people no longer taking Fitness. I mean... Focused Accuracy or Confront? Smoke Grenade or Fire Shield? Yeah, if you go out of your way to take inappropriate powers, then sure, but you can do that with Pools already. Sure, someone could conceivably take both Group Fly and Team Teleport, and throw on Whirlwind for good measure, but I don't think that's something to truly worry about.

Furthermore, as I described them, you still get new power picks in the 40s, you just open up the earlier ones even earlier. The name of the game, in my eyes, is choice. Any time I go to level up and I see all of ONE power I can take, I don't have a choice. I mean, I could go digging for pools I don't want or need, but that doesn't change the situation. I play fire, I want more fire, I can't get more fire other than Hot Feet right now. Too bad I don't WANT Hot Feet. I'd give my wings for Fire Shield, instead, but I can't have until 44.

Or suppose I want to take all five Epic powers? I can't, because I only have four power picks from the time they unlock to the time I can't take powers any more. Why not let me grab all five? Why not let me take, say, all of Pyre Mastery if I don't want, say, Hot Feet? Because otherwise, I take things I don't want, like Swift. Which I'll get for free anyway, so what do I get instead of that? I'd like to take Melt Armour, only I can't. Even if I lose Swift, I already have Char, Fire Shield, Rise of the Phoenix and Bonfire. There's nothing I can give up. I can give up Swift, and Hasten, too, now that I think about it, but giving them up won't make a lick of difference, because those power picks don't count.

All's I'm sayin' is I want more choices. If we get five Epic powers, then let me take all five Epic powers and let me worry about what I skip to take them. I'm sure I'll figure something out.

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I'd prefer the Epics to open at 38, maybe. Primary and Secondary are fine as they are though.

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If the APPs/PPPs opened up earlier, people would be unable to complain about being unable to 6-slot the last power in those sets.

If the PPP's opened at 35-ish, the arcs to unlock them should be moved a bit earlier (also a good reason to rewrite those arcs for slight improvement?), but if not, they provide a free respec at the end anyway, so it's not that great of a loss.

I see where ur going but i dont think this would be a good idea. for one..Villains and their GV story arc will need a complete rework. one good thing about hitting 40 is hitting GV and getting new powers, it's easier for heroes as hey have story arc.

Just because Fitness is now inherent, the only thing I'd like to see, is at lvl 49 having the option of taking a power or getting a couple more slots. and change the last powers to unlock after 2 instead of 3. This way you can have access to all the powers and choose extra slots instead of a power at 49.

I think the slots wouls be a little more valuable to players than another power. But the option is there.

I hope I did not confuse you.