Weird "hero merit" paranoia


BunnyAnomaly

 

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
Lock a character at 30 and roll tips.

All the cool kids are doing it. You can join Midlevel Crisis. We've got a clubhouse.
Sounds interesting. What server?


 

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I've rolled once.

Wasn't overly impressed, so I've not bothered since
Well, that's the way the random number generator goes? On the other hand -- long term -- there's a reason a lot of people like to roll with merits, and why Fulmen's was buying merit rolls from people and still turning a profit.

Then again, a few days ago I was in a hurry to burn some AE tickets and decided to gamble on two Gold Rolls there. If I'd gotten two Scirocco's there I'd have made twice as much money as I actually did -- one recipe wasn't even worth crafting.

I guess it's like Vegas: a lot of people swear that there's money to be made at blackjack IF you know what you're doing, but if someone loses the first time they play they might not go back.


"But it wasn't anything some purples and oranges and lots of screaming in fear couldn't handle." -- Werner

30 level 50's: 12 scrappers, 7 other random melee types, 11 blaster/blapper/support squishies, two accounts, and a TON of altitis since 4/28/04

 

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Fulmen's was buying merit rolls from people and still turning a profit.
Actually I'm pretty sure I was losing about half my money overall. But I was paying people to make suboptimal rolls, so it would be surprising if I did anything else. I did have long dry spells of recipes that were all worth 1-10 million, but then I'd get a couple of 100-200 million inf items.

I don't think it's like Vegas, because all those giant buildings you gamble in have made their money back and it wasn't by giving away money at Blackjack. (Of course, free drinks for gamblers have a really high ROI for the house...)


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Working towards my Gladiators 3% defence PVP IO

On two characters at once.


 

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
Have other people received "big three" items from HAM/VAM rolls? Random number is random, but I thought I'd check.
Late to the party, but yes.


 

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Actually I'm pretty sure I was losing about half my money overall. But I was paying people to make suboptimal rolls, so it would be surprising if I did anything else. I did have long dry spells of recipes that were all worth 1-10 million, but then I'd get a couple of 100-200 million inf items.
Ouch -- I didn't know that you were losing money on that deal, actually, but I can see how rolling at certain levels would result in a loss.

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
I don't think it's like Vegas, because all those giant buildings you gamble in have made their money back and it wasn't by giving away money at Blackjack. (Of course, free drinks for gamblers have a really high ROI for the house...)
Actually, I picked blackjack [and qualified it with "IF you know what you're doing"] because yes -- those huge casinos ARE built with other people's money, and they keep raking it in. In all of those games, the house has an edge, or win percentage built into the games. If an infinite number of monkeys, er, players bet on roulette the house is going to win about 5% of the money that crosses the table.

The house percentage at blackjack is even smaller, but someone who can successfully count cards can not only reduce it to zero, but actually turn it slightly in their favor. (While not illegal in Vegas, there's a reason suspected card counters can be banned from casinos. Those casinos aren't in the business to lose.)

From what I've read here about the original merit system, I could have sworn that the overall player "win" percentage was higher with crafting and selling random recipe rolls, then buying what was wanted, as opposed to saving and buying a recipe for 250 merits.


"But it wasn't anything some purples and oranges and lots of screaming in fear couldn't handle." -- Werner

30 level 50's: 12 scrappers, 7 other random melee types, 11 blaster/blapper/support squishies, two accounts, and a TON of altitis since 4/28/04

 

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If the market system was efficient, it would have been about the same price for randoms vs. custom buying.

If the market system was efficient, crafted IO's wouldn't cost ten to eighty million inf more than recipe + ingredients.

Original system, randoms did in fact get you more inf. Once the weighted rolls came into play it just got more so.


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So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.

 

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Originally Posted by Fulmens View Post
If the market system was efficient, it would have been about the same price for randoms vs. custom buying.

If the market system was efficient, crafted IO's wouldn't cost ten to eighty million inf more than recipe + ingredients.

Original system, randoms did in fact get you more inf. Once the weighted rolls came into play it just got more so.
At least our market is better than many other games where the crafted items are worth vastly less than the components, because everyone wants the components to level a crafting skill and there is no demand for the resulting product. I always hated that when it happened.


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are we limited to 5 tip missions every 24 hours no matter what? or is it just character specific?


 

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are we limited to 5 tip missions every 24 hours no matter what? or is it just character specific?
Every tip you run expires in 20 hours. It's not cross-character, so if you've filled up your tip-o-meter for Captain Awesomesauce, feel free to switch to The Mighty Spatula and erun some on him, too.


 

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So is consensus that it's better to use alignment merits to straight-up buy expensive things than roll, from a pure cash standpoint?


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