First IO for /DA would be?
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Posted on: 2010-08-27 05:35 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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I would vote Miracle followed by Numi. I didn't see the Performance Shifter proc on the list which would be my next choice followed by the Theft of Essence proc.|
Originally Posted by Exodus_V
Alohas peeps...quick question about DA and IO's...I plan on cashing in my A-Merits and grabbing a pricey IO...the question is what IO should I grab? Numi +recov/regen or Miracle +recov or LoTG +recharge or the to-hit-heal +end recov(name escapes me) or other?
I've run a DA to 50 before IO's were introduced so your thoughts would be appreciated... Also this isnt a money issue i have plenty for what its worth...o and its a KM/DA stalker for what its worth  |
I love the Theft of Essence proc but more often that not it returns enough end to pay off Dark Regen so I break even, which isn't a bad thing. Don't get me wrong I have seen it fill my end bar from near zero to full with one heal.
If you only had to pick one IO I'd probably take the theft of essence +end proc (the accurate healing proc). It may or may not work out to as much end over time as one of the recovery uniques, but it's extra end exactly when you need it most - when you fire off that hugely expensive heal.
After that in descending order of strength we have the miracle proc, performance shifter proc, and numi's proc, and I would buy them in that order. I would definitely get the theft of essence proc first, though.
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If you don't mind spending a little time on the market I would buy a level 20 miracle recovery or 30 numina's, sell it, and then buy the IO's you want. For a level 30 numina's, I could buy a level 40 miracle, a level 50 numina's, a theft of essence, and still have a little money left over. This probably won't last so make sure you look at prices first.
Theft of Essence is cheaper on the market, but more important. Use your merits to get the Miracle.
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Sounds like a plan...I was gifted the Theft IO the other night so I'll grab the Miracle! Thanks for all the replies |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Theft of Essence is cheaper on the market, but more important. Use your merits to get the Miracle.
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First IO I would get would be a KB protection IO, unless you have acrobatics already or don't plan on getting it till later.
Although I would look to the market first, haven't seen the prices lately but you do have a choice of all 3 that you can slot on a DA stalker.
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My gut reaction says the ToE proc is the most important, gaming changing choice. However, in a question of applying resources, Dechs is probably correct. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Theft of Essence is cheaper on the market, but more important. Use your merits to get the Miracle.
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I'd line the Numina up after that (just cause its a personal fav), and get after a KB protection when able after those, however (if you haven't already), as a nice to have.
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This has been more like my experience with Theft of Essence. I don't consider it reliable enough to call it a game changer as some have, but it's one of the best way to mitigate the huge end usage of Dark Regen. It just happens to have the bonus of randomly restoring a lot of endurance from time to time. Which is a great thing when it works but a bit of a bummer when it procs on only one target of a large spawn and your end is still nearing the danger zone. |
Originally Posted by Saltyhero13
I would vote Miracle followed by Numi. I didn't see the Performance Shifter proc on the list which would be my next choice followed by the Theft of Essence proc.
I love the Theft of Essence proc but more often that not it returns enough end to pay off Dark Regen so I break even, which isn't a bad thing. Don't get me wrong I have seen it fill my end bar from near zero to full with one heal. |
I got my ToE with Merits because they were 200mil+ at the time, so I'd go by price because you will eventually want all of them. (Miracle, Numina, Perf Shifter Proc and TOE Proc).
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I think of it this way: If my endurance is crashing, I can slow my attacks down to consume less. If both my endurance and health are crashing, then I need to be able to use Dark Regeneration without bottoming out and turning off my shields. I don't count on ToE to refill my blue bar, but I find that I can count on it to negate the cost of Dark Regen.|
Originally Posted by Don_T_Shoot
This has been more like my experience with Theft of Essence. I don't consider it reliable enough to call it a game changer as some have, but it's one of the best way to mitigate the huge end usage of Dark Regen. It just happens to have the bonus of randomly restoring a lot of endurance from time to time. Which is a great thing when it works but a bit of a bummer when it procs on only one target of a large spawn and your end is still nearing the danger zone.
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Numina's/Miracle help you all the time. ToE helps when it matters.
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Well put. You swayed me. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
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Numina's/Miracle help you all the time. ToE helps when it matters. |
It does change Dark Regeneration from the "oh-crap-I-gotta-hit-this-power-again" button to the "restore-full-health-without-consequences" button. Which is kind of a big deal.
Btw when you buy a miracle or numina's, make sure you buy them at the lowest level possible (20 and 30 respectively). They will always be worth more at those levels since they provide the same effect as the max level versions but are available much much earlier, and they'll continue working for most of the exemping you might do.
I was going to mention this earlier but if your /DA toon uses its heal often then you will get more milage out of the ToE +end proc.
I built my Spines/DA with a near soft capped layer of S/L defense so I hardly get hit to even bother using Dark Regen all that often. Most /DA builds don't layer defense into their builds so Dark Regen becomes more of a crutch for them. Its probably why you are seeing such a disparity in advice. Either way I think you got some solid scoop from these posters. Best of luck with your build. Dark Armor is an excellent set that shines with well planned IO set selection.
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All levels will do the same thing. The Numina's unique and the Miracle unique are both considered Proc120s, which means that they activate off the power they're slotted in. The level of the enhancement doesn't matter. A level 50 Numina's slotted in Health will still work at level 20 - as long as you took Health by then.|
Originally Posted by Ocasta
Btw when you buy a miracle or numina's, make sure you buy them at the lowest level possible (20 and 30 respectively). They will always be worth more at those levels since they provide the same effect as the max level versions but are available much much earlier, and they'll continue working for most of the exemping you might do.
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They're worth more at low levels because people don't realize this. You can always check Paragon Wiki's Table of Special IOs to see which enhancements are considered Procs and which are Globals, which do work the way you described.
Edit: And yes, lower levels will be available for earlier slotting, something I overlooked as I tend to do most of my IOs from level 35 and up.
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I know they are procs, I didn't realize they kept working when exemp'd. Either way though, it's always worth grabbing the lowest level version if you're just straight up buying one instead of randomly rolling since they are worth a ton more. I bought a numina's for 35m at level 50, while I can sell a level 30 numina's for 160-180m.
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Originally Posted by Selina_H
All levels will do the same thing. The Numina's unique and the Miracle unique are both considered Proc120s, which means that they activate off the power they're slotted in. The level of the enhancement doesn't matter. A level 50 Numina's slotted in Health will still work at level 20 - as long as you took Health by then.
They're worth more at low levels because people don't realize this. You can always check Paragon Wiki's Table of Special IOs to see which enhancements are considered Procs and which are Globals, which do work the way you described. Edit: And yes, lower levels will be available for earlier slotting, something I overlooked as I tend to do most of my IOs from level 35 and up. |
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I don't understand why you'd want one "worth more" in inf unless you're planning to sell it. I'd rather buy a cheaper one that works exactly the same, as long as I'm a high enough level to slot it. Lots of people do their slotting at 50, so for them there's no advantage to buying a lower level - unless they're trying to flip it. If it's going to stay in the build, by all means grab one for 35 mil instead of 150 mil.
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Originally Posted by Ocasta
I know they are procs, I didn't realize they kept working when exemp'd. Either way though, it's always worth grabbing the lowest level version if you're just straight up buying one instead of randomly rolling since they are worth a ton more. I bought a numina's for 35m at level 50, while I can sell a level 30 numina's for 160-180m.
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Since they're talking about grabbing these procs with merits or A-merits, they might as well grab the lowest level since they all cost the same amount of merits/A-merits anyway. At the very least it means they can be slotted the soonest, and if you ever decide that you don't like the character and strip him they'll be worth more for resale (if you want to sell them).
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My bad. With all the talk about pricing, I was under the impression (s)he was talking about buying one off the Market, in which case grabbing whatever's cheapest seems sensible. If you're "purchasing" with A-Merits, you're right - might as well get the lowest one.
Based on my guildmates Dark/Dark scrapper IO journey, these are the specials he grabbed in order.
2 KB IO (Combat Jumping, *any choice toggle power for second IO*)
Steadfast IO (Dark Embrace)
Miracle +rec (Health)
Theft of Essence Proc (Dark Regen)
Numina +rec/+reg (Health)
The order will depend on influence, merits and preference, but these 5 needs should be filled.
BIOSPARK :: DARKTHORN :: SKYGUARD :: WILDMAGE
HEATSINK :: FASTHAND :: POWERCELL :: RUNESTAFF
Alohas peeps...quick question about DA and IO's...I plan on cashing in my A-Merits and grabbing a pricey IO...the question is what IO should I grab? Numi +recov/regen or Miracle +recov or LoTG +recharge or the to-hit-heal +end recov(name escapes me) or other?
I've run a DA to 50 before IO's were introduced so your thoughts would be appreciated...
Also this isnt a money issue i have plenty for what its worth...o and its a KM/DA stalker for what its worth