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Ok this one for the Devs... May or may not have been suggested but I will suggest it anyhow. Seems the PVPEC committee has decided to try to tell us on Pinnacle who we MUST allow into our PvP universe over there. As such most of the Top teams are now withdrawing from a Legue we set up in order to have fun and enjoy Pinn PVP amongst ourselves and the people of our community. Anyway to get to my point. It seems that people are power hungry and wish for nothing other than to exert their dominance of PVP over eveeryone else to the point it is no longer fun to do so and now they are Invading our server in a rather unfriendly fashion.

My Question is this... And please think hard about this as the PvP community already feels they are blackballed from society as apparently allot of them report being placed on ignore from the Devs.
1.Why do people have to actually transfer servers in order to PVP with others? Why can we not reinvent PVP also to a degree is it not possible in the Arena to make an All Server setting? Just curious? I mean the matkets are merged across all servers are they not? Why can we not "Zone into" the same Map and have a 4 man team from Freedom matched against a 4 man team from Pinnacle without them haveing to leave their home server? Is it that difficult? or is their not enough Dev interest in the subject.

Not trying to be slamming but you guys watch what we go through on the forums. Three maybe all 4 top teams have or are going to withdraw from our Pinn PVP ladder now because of people of questionable character. If we could set up matches cross server that would be ideal honestly we could do an all server league show up and fight and then not have to deal with those people on a weekly daily basis. As well without the hassle of transferring to TEST (<---lol IO DUPING) where anyone with a PSy can be king. it's so cookie cutter on test honestly Im surpised it lasted as long as it did. Most of the real PvPer's wont have anything to do with it. Diversity in PVP is king and we run teams in our league for the fun of it. And with people from other servers coming in trying to force open the door they don't understand what the league is about F U N <---- what is this word you say? And now its us against them we are fighting to show who can puff out their chest farther instead of enjoying what we started and the F U N is gone now so instead of breaking the sanctity of what we created we are withdrawing, that's another issue.
But again my point is most of this drama would be washed if we could fight cross server. They could stay there we could stay here and run our league in peace and as well run a "Cross-server" "all-Server" league and they could stay there.

I'm just thinking that there are a few other aspects of this game that bridge the server gap so please give it some thought. MAybe a PM response if possible as my curiosity is now peaked. A post would be better but I'll take what I can get


 

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Your cross-server PvP can be found on Freedom or Test.
IO duping, as lol @ is it seems to you actually creates an even playing field where experience, evasion and precise spiking make you come out on top.

Let's be honest, even in the Pinnacle Ladder you have the entirely kitted out toons and experienced people rolling the other teams. That's just the way it is in any gear-oriented environment.

Posi said back in the day that Test was the cross-server PvP enclave, that or move your stuff to Freedom or a heavy pop server.


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As well without the hassle of transferring to TEST (<---lol IO DUPING) where anyone with a PSy can be king. it's so cookie cutter on test honestly Im surpised it lasted as long as it did. Most of the real PvPer's wont have anything to do with it.
First of all... saying that only makes it painfully obvious how little you know about it. Take two people with the same build, the same IO's, and make them fight each other and it's skill that will determine who wins. And these builds are the same builds the Psy blasters on Pinn are using if they're smart. The reason so many roll Psi is because it's better for 8v8. Just the way it is.

And, just to be clear, the 'real PvP'ers' are the ones on Test. And they come from Freedom, Pinnacle, Champion, Justice, and elsewhere. They also PvP on Live.. and often times their live builds are the same as their Test builds.


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Ok this one for the Devs... May or may not have been suggested but I will suggest it anyhow. Seems the PVPEC committee has decided to try to tell us on Pinnacle who we MUST allow into our PvP universe over there. As such most of the Top teams are now withdrawing from a Legue we set up in order to have fun and enjoy Pinn PVP amongst ourselves and the people of our community. Anyway to get to my point. It seems that people are power hungry and wish for nothing other than to exert their dominance of PVP over eveeryone else to the point it is no longer fun to do so and now they are Invading our server in a rather unfriendly fashion.
I read over the drama last night, and it sounded as if you guys were free to do whatever you wanted but would lose PvPEC support (meaning NCSoft prizes, mainly) if you chose to not allow specific players to join that hadn't been banned from PvPEC events. And yes, people do get banned from PvPEC events, so in this case, there's not much risk on your or your league's part; you can simply allow players to hang themselves and get banned from your league and all other PvPEC events. If the players in question always behave, then you've just gained more players for the league, growing your PvP community. I guess I'm not seeing the problem.

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My Question is this... And please think hard about this as the PvP community already feels they are blackballed from society as apparently allot of them report being placed on ignore from the Devs.
1.Why do people have to actually transfer servers in order to PVP with others? Why can we not reinvent PVP also to a degree is it not possible in the Arena to make an All Server setting? Just curious? I mean the matkets are merged across all servers are they not? Why can we not "Zone into" the same Map and have a 4 man team from Freedom matched against a 4 man team from Pinnacle without them haveing to leave their home server? Is it that difficult? or is their not enough Dev interest in the subject.
That last part I bolded for your answer. Well, it's actually more about them believing it's not worth their time to work on PvP (and you should disregard the comments they made about not ignoring PvP any more and to keep it a priority). The short of it is that the devs don't really understand the dedicated PvP'r mindset. Because of that, they've always had an untapped market here, which has been frustrating to us over the years.

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Not trying to be slamming but you guys watch what we go through on the forums. Three maybe all 4 top teams have or are going to withdraw from our Pinn PVP ladder now because of people of questionable character.
I don't think the devs spend much time reading anything PvP-related, in all honesty. I'd be extremely surprised if one of them responded to this thread.

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If we could set up matches cross server that would be ideal honestly we could do an all server league show up and fight and then not have to deal with those people on a weekly daily basis.
We've been suggesting cross-server PvP since basically i4...anything to allow the PvP'rs easier access to each other.

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As well without the hassle of transferring to TEST (<---lol IO DUPING) where anyone with a PSy can be king. it's so cookie cutter on test honestly Im surpised it lasted as long as it did. Most of the real PvPer's wont have anything to do with it.
I'm not sure why you're so anti-Test PvP'r, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that anyone with a psi/em cannot be king. If someone can't work with their teammates to get a timed spike, while having a good combination of evasion skill and support, they'll fail miserably. Builds are only part of the equation.

When you say the most "real" PvP'rs won't have anything to do with it, I must take offense. Why am I not a "real" PvP'r? Because I build my toons for PvP specifically? Is it because I've spent probably 90% of my in-game time either PvPing or trying to get others to PvP? Is it because I saw the Test server as the best way to get PvP'rs across all servers to meet up and play together (since cross-server PvP has never been an option and because even Live server transfers weren't possible for a long time)? Is it because I like to play with and against others that maximize their builds and strategies for arena PvP? Why am I not a real PvP'r in your eyes?

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Diversity in PVP is king and we run teams in our league for the fun of it. And with people from other servers coming in trying to force open the door they don't understand what the league is about F U N <---- what is this word you say? And now its us against them we are fighting to show who can puff out their chest farther instead of enjoying what we started and the F U N is gone now so instead of breaking the sanctity of what we created we are withdrawing, that's another issue.
Lack of diversity is the fault of players? I'd like it if there were more optimal build possibilities for PvP, and PvP'rs have offered suggestions as to how to accomplish that. You seem to think that everyone on Test has the mentality that they prefer to have the best builds and keep them for themselves and wreck noobs. Read over why I PvP on Test, and you'll see that I prefer to play against people without those advantages...but that doesn't mean that I want to be excluded on Live server events with my builds there.

And Isn't fun subjective? I have fun PvPing in the arena. It's fun for me whether I win or lose, so I'm not above teaming with people that aren't the absolute best or whatever. Don't get me wrong, because like most, I do prefer to win. For some people, it's only fun if they win, so they will only team with people that are as "serious" as they are. Others only like to PvP with people that don't take it seriously at all. Anyway, we're not all about just dominating helpless others 24-7.

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But again my point is most of this drama would be washed if we could fight cross server. They could stay there we could stay here and run our league in peace and as well run a "Cross-server" "all-Server" league and they could stay there.

I'm just thinking that there are a few other aspects of this game that bridge the server gap so please give it some thought. MAybe a PM response if possible as my curiosity is now peaked. A post would be better but I'll take what I can get
Again, I'd love a cross-server option, and I've always wanted it. We can definitely agree on that.


 

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And, just to be clear, the 'real PvP'ers' are the ones on Test. And they come from Freedom, Pinnacle, Champion, Justice, and elsewhere.
Wrong. 3 test teams dont constitute the entire roster of "real" pvpers in this game sorry. Just because you like to play a different way (8v8 emps and psi blasters) doesnt make you better, or more "real". It just makes you a minority in the minority that is PvP.

Ive seen it a few times over the years. People get good practice alot, a few teams developed (justice, champion freedom whatever). Then wham. PVP sucks in this game theres never any arena. Im moving to test maybe we can get more "real" pvpers going there (ie emps and blasters). Eventually they quit or haunt the forums complaining about how bad PvP is in this game (comming back from time to time to talk about how badass they were).

Meanwhile a new group of PvPers starts out in Sirens, RV and some arena. Get to know eachother, face off occasionally against some "real PvPers". Decide to copy them and form a small group of "ELITE REAL TEST PVPERS" (emps and blasters).

2-3 years ago I compared most of the PvP community (of which I consider myself a member) to inbred hillbillies. You only fight "real PvPers" on your own ground with your own rules and mix with your own kind. Eventually you die off because you dont have new blood.


 

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Just to be clear, I can only recall 1 team that ever tried running emps and psi blasters exclusively...until they realized that wasn't optimal. Actually, I think that was the Freedom league, and not Test. Honestly, there is no single, optimal line-up for a Test arena team. I'm not saying there is a ton of diversity, but again, that's not the fault of the players that are doing the logical thing of maximizing their potential. The only thing we can do as players is create rules within the system we're given, limiting ourselves to create diversity. (An example of that is limiting stalker numbers on teams.)


 

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Just to be clear, I can only recall 1 team that ever tried running emps and psi blasters exclusively...until they realized that wasn't optimal. Actually, I think that was the Freedom league, and not Test. Honestly, there is no single, optimal line-up for a Test arena team. I'm not saying there is a ton of diversity, but again, that's not the fault of the players that are doing the logical thing of maximizing their potential. The only thing we can do as players is create rules within the system we're given, limiting ourselves to create diversity. (An example of that is limiting stalker numbers on teams.)
true story. i was exaggerating a bit there.


 

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or is their not enough Dev interest in the subject.
You answered your own question.


 

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Wrong. 3 test teams dont constitute the entire roster of "real" pvpers in this game sorry. Just because you like to play a different way (8v8 emps and psi blasters) doesnt make you better, or more "real". It just makes you a minority in the minority that is PvP.

Ive seen it a few times over the years. People get good practice alot, a few teams developed (justice, champion freedom whatever). Then wham. PVP sucks in this game theres never any arena. Im moving to test maybe we can get more "real" pvpers going there (ie emps and blasters). Eventually they quit or haunt the forums complaining about how bad PvP is in this game (comming back from time to time to talk about how badass they were).

Meanwhile a new group of PvPers starts out in Sirens, RV and some arena. Get to know eachother, face off occasionally against some "real PvPers". Decide to copy them and form a small group of "ELITE REAL TEST PVPERS" (emps and blasters).

2-3 years ago I compared most of the PvP community (of which I consider myself a member) to inbred hillbillies. You only fight "real PvPers" on your own ground with your own rules and mix with your own kind. Eventually you die off because you dont have new blood.
*BUZZER*

Aww, thanks for playing. I was not implying that the 'current' PvP Test teams embody the 'only' source of PvPers in this game. There have been quite a few over the years and at several times there was quite a number of us on Test. And we PvP'd on live as well. Population low now? Yep, sure is. That doesn't mean it always was.

Emps and blasters? Where are you getting your information? The teams I've been on have had blasters and emps sure, as well as rads, kins, doms, stalkers, as well as brutes and tanks and therms and pains etc. etc. etc.

And if you can't laugh at that, you have no sense of humor sir.


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Lol. First I said I was exaggerating about emps and blasters its not nearly as bad as it used to be.

Second I didnt put words in your mouth. You said "And, just to be clear, the 'real PvP'ers' are the ones on Test." And your right you didnt say test teams are only source of Pvpers. You suggest test teams were the source of "real PvPers".

And I responded. Might wanna read what you wrote again I think you forgot. Btw got no problem with you, just didnt think Real PvPers was accurate nor do I find anything you wrote funny (im not raging either, its seriously just not funny might wanna hire someone to write you some new material).


 

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Lulz. If you think I'm pissed than you don't know me very well. And I didn't write that.. it's a quote. Google fu it or something if you need some help.

And I didn't say you put words in my mouth. I was clarifying what I wrote previously as it was not worded very well.

Either way.. your straw man filled post lacks any reliable credibility or specific reference and is based of 'those groups' and 'back thens'. Fun bedtime reading, but doesn't help educate anyone. Why don't you use some actual examples or state a fact or two so I can see where you're coming from.

Or we can hug it out.


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Blacier, you're ill-informed creating a problem for yourself.

You say you'd like something cross-server, so people shouldn't have to Xfer? If you'd like to play those other people, what difference does it make how that's possible? While I agree that something would be nice to allow us to play together, regardless of server, that already exists. It's called test.

I don't know what your definition of "real PvPrs" actually is, but whatever. GL to you.


 

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If the fight klub mentality was an amoeba, than OP's post is what it would evolve into over thousands of years.


 

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Most of the real PvPer's wont have anything to do with it.
I believe you are thinking of zone PvP, and

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You only fight "real PvPers" on your own ground with your own rules and mix with your own kind
I believe you are thinking of fiteklubbers.


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Your cross-server PvP can be found on Freedom or Test.
IO duping, as lol @ is it seems to you actually creates an even playing field where experience, evasion and precise spiking make you come out on top.

Let's be honest, even in the Pinnacle Ladder you have the entirely kitted out toons and experienced people rolling the other teams. That's just the way it is in any gear-oriented environment.

Posi said back in the day that Test was the cross-server PvP enclave, that or move your stuff to Freedom or a heavy pop server.
Which is the main reason I was addressing the Devs. Dont want to go to freedom to play shoudnt have to. Dont want to move toons to test shouldnt have to. Should be able to have a setting that allows cross server map set up period..end of story. Not in test where Duping is legal. And yeah you say kitted out toons whatever not everyone farms MY main PVP toon is still several enhancements away from incomplete and may be for some time but I make up for the lack with my skill, as well it is the same with others and that creates a balance within it self and a randomness that makes PvP not so cookie cutter as it is on test. Querry? How long did SoCo go undefeated? Why?

Cross server arena set up for "IN-GAME" not test not moving toosn from one server to another.


 

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Guess I wont be posting here either . And this is the reason we really have no love for other server PVP'er on Pinn becasue you guys are all about whats cool and talking trash sorry we PVP to have fun because we enjoy the game and we do it well. Ya'll harass Funk but honestly all talk aside he enjoys it as do we You guys are all into the "FITEKLUB" and why it can't be the way we had it but honestly we will do a non sanctioned league we dont need PVPEC telling us who to let in and why I dont need prizes or an undefeated tag, whatever PVP is fun with the RIGHT people. I came on here in the proper place to ask the "DEVS" in public why we could not hvae a cross server setting on the Arean maps, and look at all the Drama it started. You guys are rediculous and can't refrain at all. IF the Dev's have an answer for me great if not This is my last post here as well I'm not a Drama Queen nor do I intend to start.


 

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How long did SoCo go undefeated? Why?
this sounds liek a roast to me haha?


 

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The thing is that if everyone has the same things then it is only skill that determines the outcome, not some random person, that happened to farm for hours and hours a day or one with multiple accounts that PvP IO farmed every night since they were available, that has glad jav procs in every ranged power therefore out damages the other persons toon just because they have said enhancements. If everyone has the same enhancements then it is all down to builds, team strategy, team makeup and skill; and let me tell you not everyone has the same builds for each AT. Some blasters go force/leadership, others force/phase, and others cold/leadership, and then for other AT's there are many different builds, do they go max hp or sacrifice hp for something else and then they may use different sets to attain what they are looking for in said build. Let me tell you that some of those build choices are keys in the outcome of the matches.


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If you move a toon to another server, you're part of that server, it's that simple. So what gives you the right to tell people they're not allowed to join a public event?


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If you move a toon to another server, you're part of that server, it's that simple. So what gives you the right to tell people they're not allowed to join a public event?

More to the point, I started on Pinn in i4 and played there, despite breaks, til i16.

So, yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaah.


 

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Not in test where Duping is legal. And yeah you say kitted out toons whatever not everyone farms MY main PVP toon is still several enhancements away from incomplete and may be for some time but I make up for the lack with my skill
Oddly enough, duping IOs means you'll probably find someone on your team who has the IO you need and can copy it to test multiple times for multiple people to use, thus making a really crazy expensive build easy to obtain, yet you think this is a bad thing, gg.

When you go up against someone running the same powersets as you (I am guessing you play a Regen Scrapper based on your posts and general attitude toward PvP) and with the same relative skill level, it's the person whose build is better that will win. Likewise if you go up against someone running the same powersets and the same build, it's the person who's more skilled that will win. Your argument is simply your way of saying that build is everything. There are two reasons why the "high-end" ladders have always been, and always will be, held on test:

1. People from any server can participate, even when there aren't free transfers
2. People can build their characters any way they like without having to spend billions upon billions of inf or hours upon hours farming for the stuff they want

In short, the ladders are held on test because it's a convenient way to eliminate the "haves and have-nots" problem that's been around since the introduction of IOs (and exacerbated by the addition of purples and then PvP IOs). It means you don't have to worry about whether you'll be able to afford to build your character, because everyone has exactly the same opportunity to obtain stuff.


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Guess I wont be posting here either . And this is the reason we really have no love for other server PVP'er on Pinn becasue you guys are all about whats cool and talking trash sorry we PVP to have fun because we enjoy the game and we do it well. Ya'll harass Funk but honestly all talk aside he enjoys it as do we You guys are all into the "FITEKLUB" and why it can't be the way we had it but honestly we will do a non sanctioned league we dont need PVPEC telling us who to let in and why I dont need prizes or an undefeated tag, whatever PVP is fun with the RIGHT people. I came on here in the proper place to ask the "DEVS" in public why we could not hvae a cross server setting on the Arean maps, and look at all the Drama it started. You guys are rediculous and can't refrain at all. IF the Dev's have an answer for me great if not This is my last post here as well I'm not a Drama Queen nor do I intend to start.

People responded the way they did because of the ridiculously illogical things you said. I know you don't understand, but it was laughable. It's as if you've never PvP'd at all. I'm not being rude, but honest, rather. The conflicting ideals... Wanting Cross-Server PvP, but when people come to you, you rage-quit like a child.

RAWR, WHATEVER, WE'LL MAKE OUR OWN EVENT WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS ON DOUBLE-STANDARDS!

That's unnecessary, since you could simply play in the Ladder you were before with no problems. You make things a lot more complicated and harder for yourself.


 

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Guess I wont be posting here either . And this is the reason we really have no love for other server PVP'er on Pinn becasue you guys are all about whats cool and talking trash sorry we PVP to have fun because we enjoy the game and we do it well.
I PvP'd on Pinnacle for a good long while. Rolled my ice/em there back when they were king. The PvP community is too small to try and separate us because of what server we play on. I do agree that the Arena should allow for cross server match set up or that the zones should be cross server (that would be crazy fun even if it caused a large queue). The thing is that the devs are not likely to do that. If you have a suggestion for them you're better off PM'ing them directly and if you don't want community input it's not a very good idea to post it on the main boards.

Just seems too much like you're taking your ball and going home because you can't have it your way. And anyone that doesn't have the same mindset as you is a dummy head meany face...


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Guess I wont be posting here either . And this is the reason we really have no love for other server PVP'er on Pinn becasue you guys are all about whats cool and talking trash sorry we PVP to have fun because we enjoy the game and we do it well. Ya'll harass Funk but honestly all talk aside he enjoys it as do we You guys are all into the "FITEKLUB" and why it can't be the way we had it but honestly we will do a non sanctioned league we dont need PVPEC telling us who to let in and why I dont need prizes or an undefeated tag, whatever PVP is fun with the RIGHT people. I came on here in the proper place to ask the "DEVS" in public why we could not hvae a cross server setting on the Arean maps, and look at all the Drama it started. You guys are rediculous and can't refrain at all. IF the Dev's have an answer for me great if not This is my last post here as well I'm not a Drama Queen nor do I intend to start.
If you only want to play with people from Pinnacle...

...then why do you want cross-server PVP?

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Guess I wont be posting here either . And this is the reason we really have no love for other server PVP'er on Pinn becasue you guys are all about whats cool and talking trash sorry we PVP to have fun because we enjoy the game and we do it well. Ya'll harass Funk but honestly all talk aside he enjoys it as do we You guys are all into the "FITEKLUB" and why it can't be the way we had it but honestly we will do a non sanctioned league we dont need PVPEC telling us who to let in and why I dont need prizes or an undefeated tag, whatever PVP is fun with the RIGHT people. I came on here in the proper place to ask the "DEVS" in public why we could not hvae a cross server setting on the Arean maps, and look at all the Drama it started. You guys are rediculous and can't refrain at all. IF the Dev's have an answer for me great if not This is my last post here as well I'm not a Drama Queen nor do I intend to start.

Ok first to reply to the part of your post I bolded, posts with suggestions for the devs go in the suggestions section, navigating the forums is hard... Posts in this section are for the PvP population to discuss so no you where wrong and everyone replying is right.

Second, your surprised by other PvP'rs negative reactions when you insult them? Pro tip don't insult half of a forum sections active posters by telling hem they aren't real PvP'rs...Also um before you post all your knowledge of the test match/ladder you might want to actually go there and learn the facts first. Not anyone can get on a pimp'd out blaster and be king, if you don't believe me come watch me play mine.

Third, Sanctioned? Non Sanctioned? wth are you talking about the PvPEC is a PLAYER run committee, all they are doing by having their name attached to you ladder is maybe providing some swag. So if you don't want to abide by their policies and keep it to who you deem fit (though this is elitist and prejudice) to be in your ladder then do it and don't worry about the swag. I am not sure what power you think the PvPEC hold to say their event is a sanctioned one and an other player's isn't but you would be dead wrong, they get NC support by abiding to their rules but it's still players (who volunteer their game time) running it not NC Soft. RE swag any player can PM Ocho and ask for some prizes for a player run event gold titles w/e, it may not get granted but they are very supportive of in game events.


Lastly to some of the new blood and elitist comments there are a few of us in the ladder that came from the D6 teams from the league, and there are a few that where mainly zone PvP'rs so I would beg to differ on the subject. Anyone can start a team and join.



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