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That was my last night of matches before the sub runs out. Thanks for the matches all.

See you next time.

Later Peril. You will be missed.

FWIW: SWtOR. Do eet.

Scores have been updated. Some fun matches to watch tonight guise. GG!

So there was drama last night? :/

Yeah, I responded on the GP site that Sunday was fine with me so long as the others are cool with it.

Sunday is actually much better for me.

Yeap we pulled from the league.. Yesturday was a waste of time. The league states 3vs3, 4vs4, 5vs5 when team cant even have 3 to show up they basically going play for ties and all they need was bring stalkers. The team that had only 2 players and wanted us to drop to 2 players as well. Why? our players came to play and drop any other plan they had to have a match. So, No where not going to drop down to 2 players cause your team can't show up. Rules should been inplace for those who brough less players other play handicapp
like 1 stalkers for a team 2, 0 stalkers for a team of 1, 2 stalkers for 3+ plus team.
HONESTLY EASY KILLS WAS A JOKE!!! NEVER WANT TO FACE LITTLE ****** like that again.

That wasnt case at all...there no a.s. and only attack were sharks and they only attempt like twice a match then hide rest of the match. At least with therms u have a target. Having two therms don't mean u going to win. It's was waste time and you would said same s*** as well.

You must not understood what I said. Our 3 showed up to play so why not play them. Its wasnt our problem if there team couldnt make it. Cause If I gave up a afternoon and didnt even play I would be p***. Like I said 1 our players gave up spending time with his girl just to be here our matches. I could have been at a party earlier... On that not make sure you goign have at least 3 on game time.

They played for a tie cause they were man short. Not our problem give you all what have and go from there. Some team wont reschedule hoping to get advantage like you did. Not giving Artic's team the match on Friday. Cause you knew there main player would be out on Saturday.

Side note what I heard from last night that more teams are planning to pull out... and another league with be form... with prize money or pvp sets and etc. Alot rules would be discuss with captains and etc.

Actually they did not play stalkers to get a tie. They asked nicely for good sportsmanship and for you guys to 2v2 them instead. Even after denied they still played the first match with a regular lineup. Personally if I asked another team to be good sports and equal us on match size to make it fun and fair and they didn't I would probably play 2 stalkers too. I was impressed they even tried to get any kills because most teams would have just stayed in hide and got their lulz on watching you hop around.

Not only did you guys refuse to down the match sizes which is your priority but then you smack talked during the second 2 matches and then thought "hey guys atleast give us the win being its same points for you to lose or tie" in broadcast was supposed to make them want to help you out.

Now I really hope you guys cool off this week and show up for Saturdays matches. However karma is a ***** and your own decisions is what brought that lineup to the matches to begin with. Because I truly believe you would have never seen a double stalker lineup from them had you just been nice and agreed to the 2v2 and you probably would have won all the matches and everyone would have had fun instead.

I can say this in regards to the therm lineups. If I was to reopen allowing motions on that I can almost guarantee you that the vote to limit them to 1 per match would pass. There are a few teams that voted no that have expressed they are changing their minds that facing all therm lineups is gai. So before making a big deal about the 2 stalkers I would take that in to consideration. As frustrating as 2 stalkers are, 2-3 therms in a 3v3 is equally frustrating.

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Originally Posted by ELF_STALKER They played for a tie cause they were man short. Not our problem give you all what have and go from there. Some team wont reschedule hoping to get advantage like you did. Not giving Artic's team the match on Friday. Cause you knew there main player would be out on Saturday.

I haven't heard from a couple from our team, but I think this is a safe assumption:

dUmb would like to throw out that we'd prefer to play future matches on either Monday, Tuesday (which is my favorite), or Thursday...with Sundays coming in next if those 3 aren't good. Wednesdays are bad, along with Fridays...and Saturdays aren't the best, though we'll likely always have at least 3 on Saturdays when needed. This isn't like an official request for a league day/time change, but we're much more likely to field 4v4 and 5v5 on those other 3 days.

Also, know that we never play for ties. There isn't an available prize that would force me to play for a tie, and I'm pretty sure the others on our team feel the same way. That being said, I hate rule changes, but I'd be inclined at this point to say that fighting with less than 3 people just shouldn't be allowed.

I'm trying to look at the previous posts without any bias: Team A comes with 2 players and they want to PvP, and they hope that Team B agrees to fight at 2v2 to keep the match fair. Team B comes with 3 people (at least), and those people want to PvP, so they see forcing someone to sit as unfair to them. Team A will typically have no chance of winning a round going 2v3 against a team that's remotely similar in skill level; their only chance will usually be a very unlikely, double-AS. Similarly, Team B will typically have next to no chance of taking out an evading stalker. The match just seems rather pointless to me, and it seems like the most likely result is going to be animosity generated from teams (technically) following the rules.

From what it sounds like to me, neither team did anything wrong last night, but the match sucked. A rule change is the only thing that could assure it from happening again, so if a captain wants to propose a rule change about minimum team player match requirement numbers or some other rule that fixes this issue, feel free to PM me for support. If it's a logical, thought-out proposal, I'll be on board.

Edit: Just for clarity, I posted this before reading Kat's post. Also, I've thought about the emp/pain/thermal issue, and I suppose I'd be more inclined to support limits on toons with "heal other" types of powers than anything else, and it would need to be dependent on match size. Basically, I'd be supportive of ideas that prevent ties, but I typically rule in favor of AT non-limits when something is questionable.

I was hoping letting teams join throughout the season would help ease that problem. The problem isn't the rules or lack of rules. The problem is pvp is dead in this game, sadly. Or a tleast as far as organized arena pvp. The ladder crumbled, the attempt of starting a 4v4 ladder on freedom doesn't seem to be working. Not sure how the ladder on Pinnacle is going after the drama and the reestablishing it but besides that Champions League is the only solid organized pvp across 11 servers right now. Already seeing it falter with teams not having enough people to show up. I sent a couple of teams emails today suggesting they consolidate in to 1 team being they are both short but not sure how that will work out or not.

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Originally Posted by Neuronia . Even then, there might just not be enough interest left in November for the ladder to sustain itself. Which is sad, because this had the potential to be fun for the most part. We'll see what happens but I'd be shocked if any more than 3 or 4 teams were left when December rolled around. Yay?

Of course I would allow a motion to make teams have to play 3v3 and have to take a forfeit if they don't have 3. However lets take something in to consideration. We have 1 team that dropped due to not having enough to show up among other things. We have 2 other teams having the same exact issues. I wish those teams would all get together and maybe try to just make 1 or 2 solid teams of people showing up. However I doubt that is likely. So if they don't by limiting teams with less than 3 being able to play we might as well say bye to 2 more teams right now.

The real solution to it all is for people to be playing for fun and if a team is short then the other team match them person for person. Not like out of 3 matches every one wouldn't still get a chance to play. The first week we had teams that fought 1v1 because a team was short. They didn't have to but they did. They also had fun. Fun is not what its all about so the next best thing is to scream for rule changes. AFK while I figure out why I still do this again.

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Originally Posted by Psoma I haven't heard from a couple from our team, but I think this is a safe assumption: dUmb would like to throw out that we'd prefer to play future matches on either Monday, Tuesday (which is my favorite), or Thursday...with Sundays coming in next if those 3 aren't good. Wednesdays are bad, along with Fridays...and Saturdays aren't the best, though we'll likely always have at least 3 on Saturdays when needed. This isn't like an official request for a league day/time change, but we're much more likely to field 4v4 and 5v5 on those other 3 days. Also, know that we never play for ties. There isn't an available prize that would force me to play for a tie, and I'm pretty sure the others on our team feel the same way. That being said, I hate rule changes, but I'd be inclined at this point to say that fighting with less than 3 people just shouldn't be allowed. I'm trying to look at the previous posts without any bias: Team A comes with 2 players and they want to PvP, and they hope that Team B agrees to fight at 2v2 to keep the match fair. Team B comes with 3 people (at least), and those people want to PvP, so they see forcing someone to sit as unfair to them. Team A will typically have no chance of winning a round going 2v3 against a team that's remotely similar in skill level; their only chance will usually be a very unlikely, double-AS. Similarly, Team B will typically have next to no chance of taking out an evading stalker. The match just seems rather pointless to me, and it seems like the most likely result is going to be animosity generated from teams (technically) following the rules. From what it sounds like to me, neither team did anything wrong last night, but the match sucked. A rule change is the only thing that could assure it from happening again, so if a captain wants to propose a rule change about minimum team player match requirement numbers or some other rule that fixes this issue, feel free to PM me for support. If it's a logical, thought-out proposal, I'll be on board. Edit: Just for clarity, I posted this before reading Kat's post. Also, I've thought about the emp/pain/thermal issue, and I suppose I'd be more inclined to support limits on toons with "heal other" types of powers than anything else, and it would need to be dependent on match size. Basically, I'd be supportive of ideas that prevent ties, but I typically rule in favor of AT non-limits when something is questionable.

I am putting forth an official proposition to stop talking about this, clear our heads for a few days, and continue this conversation starting on wednesday.

Posting when you're angry will only lead to bad things.

I understand the viewpoints of both teams involved, and understand why both teams are pretty pissed, but I am asking nicely for everyone involved to just take a few days to cool off.

0utcazt, please do not withdraw from the ladder until you have had a few days to think about it. People often make rash decisions while they're angry, and often regret those decisions.

There is no need for a new league, and I PROMISE you, if a second league forms, neither league will work out in the end. If we're barely sustaining one league, there is absolutely no reason a second league would work. Even if the rules are "better", even fewer teams will show up and 3 team leagues are no fun, as demonstrated by the test ladder.