Hamidon is a level 50 encounter. In fact, they raised the level cap for the TF from 35 to 45 simply because of this.
Though maybe it is a bug. You'd think that since the rest of the content levels down for you, that Hami would, too.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
Hamidon is a level 50 encounter. In fact, they raised the level cap for the TF from 35 to 45 simply because of this.
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I won't be surprised if it is WAI. CoX has at least 2 TFs/SFs and at least 1 mission where level of some NPCs is hardcoded. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
I'm aware it is a lvl 50 encounter outside the TF, but as you said...
If the TF had started with level 50s in the first mish, we would've been totally alright. Just reassemble the team and restart with a level 50 leader. I just find it frustrating that if this is actually WAI, you get no warnings at all and BAM! you have a TF that's impossible for most teams to complete if you happened to pick a sub-50 leader. |
For example:
- STF always spawns all AVs in 4th mission at level 52 and all AVs in 5th mission at level 54.
- RSF always spawns FP in 5th mission at level 53.
- "Free Statesman" mission from Maria Jenkins always spawns Tyrant at level 50 as minimum. (from paragonwiki: "Tyrant (Archvillain, minimum level 50 regardless of mission owner experience level) ")http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Maria_Je...Free_Statesman
I haven't done a task force in a while, so I had to check paragonwiki to make sure I had it right, but it says:
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.| On a "signature" Task Force, enemies will spawn based on the task force's maximum level (and the leader's notoriety setting) regardless of the team's composition. Therefore Signature Task Forces are usually done by characters at (or above) the top of the level range. |
The proceeding chart on that page shows that the LGTF is indeed a signature task force, level range 45-50. Shouldn't that mean then that the entire arc would spawn enemies at level 50? Sounds like it's a bug if only Hamidon was level 50.
Or did they change this and the wiki is out of date? Like I said, I haven't done a task force in a while.
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On the contrary, I think they should all have the warning, it's only fair for casual players.
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Originally Posted by NordBlast
No one of these TFs/missions gives you warning about NPC level, so I don't think LGTF should do it either.
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I've done LGTF a fair few times and I don't consider myself casual, but this was a first for me.|
Originally Posted by Silverado
On the contrary, I think they should all have the warning, it's only fair for casual players.
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Either way, I think it either needs a warning or the whole TF has to spawn at 50. It's a mood killer to hit a roadblock like that when you're so close to the final mission.
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Most enemy groups are created to be available over a level range. It may be that they simply copied the original Hamidon, made a few edits, and stuck him in the TF. If so, he'd still be hard-coded to only spawn at a fixed level.
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I think NordBlast has the key to this whole thing. They need to do one of two things...
Either a: post a warning in the pre-"form a task force" blurb that there are level-hard coded enemies or B: make such missions formable ONLY by a level 50 character. Thing is, these misisons were made BEFORE everyone was forced to accept the team leader's level, so there was always a good chance you'd have one or two 50s to SK lower level people and even out the battlefield. But now you can have an entire team of 49s or 45s fighting against level 50, 53, 53, 54 AVs, and while yes it's always stupid to run things at minimum level (except maybe Posi and Synapse), there should be something done about these late-level missions to warn or prevent lower level players from wasting their time.
Though if a team of natural 45s beat the STF i'd be hugely impressed. Double-so if it was a successful master attempt.
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I don't know about that really. You'd expect it to be doable at any level within the intended level range of the TF. Hell, I've done the TF many times and I didn't even know that would be possible, I can only think of how much that would frustrate a newer player.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
it's always stupid to run things at minimum level (except maybe Posi and Synapse), there should be something done about these late-level missions to warn or prevent lower level players from wasting their time.
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Originally Posted by EmperorSteele
I think NordBlast has the key to this whole thing. They need to do one of two things...
Either a: post a warning in the pre-"form a task force" blurb that there are level-hard coded enemies or B: make such missions formable ONLY by a level 50 character. Thing is, these misisons were made BEFORE everyone was forced to accept the team leader's level, so there was always a good chance you'd have one or two 50s to SK lower level people and even out the battlefield. But now you can have an entire team of 49s or 45s fighting against level 50, 53, 53, 54 AVs, and while yes it's always stupid to run things at minimum level (except maybe Posi and Synapse), there should be something done about these late-level missions to warn or prevent lower level players from wasting their time. |
Also acceptable in my mind is auto-SKing everyone as though there was a 50 on the team, but spawning all the non-hardcoded enemies relative to lvl 49s (if the entire team is sub-50, they'd all be effectively 49, and normal mobs would spawn at 49 +/- 1.) It would still be a little more difficult for them, but it might not be brickwall-difficult.
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That's a good solution as well.
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Originally Posted by The Grim Heaper
^this^
Also acceptable in my mind is auto-SKing everyone as though there was a 50 on the team, but spawning all the non-hardcoded enemies relative to lvl 49s (if the entire team is sub-50, they'd all be effectively 49, and normal mobs would spawn at 49 +/- 1.) It would still be a little more difficult for them, but it might not be brickwall-difficult. |
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As a note, you can normally change leaders during a TF by having the leader log off (or DC, which is where I've usually seen it). Leadership passes to the next person on the team. If you had any 50s, you could "promote" them this way by having everyone above them log off then back on. |
Originally Posted by DSorrow
If the TF had started with level 50s in the first mish, we would've been totally alright. Just reassemble the team and restart with a level 50 leader. I just find it frustrating that if this is actually WAI, you get no warnings at all and BAM! you have a TF that's impossible for most teams to complete if you happened to pick a sub-50 leader.
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You do want to be careful about what difficulty level they may be on, though, its not unusual for 50s to be above base difficulty, and you can't see someone elses difficulty level while on a TF.
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We tried this, but we still stayed at level 46.
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Originally Posted by Scientist
As a note, you can normally change leaders during a TF by having the leader log off (or DC, which is where I've usually seen it). Leadership passes to the next person on the team. If you had any 50s, you could "promote" them this way by having everyone above them log off then back on.
You do want to be careful about what difficulty level they may be on, though, its not unusual for 50s to be above base difficulty, and you can't see someone elses difficulty level while on a TF. |
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I attempted an LGTF today after dinging 46 on my Scrapper. Because I wanted to do it, I recruited the people and was the team leader. Now, I didn't think we'd have problems because of exemping people down to 46. Up until the Hamidon mish we were doing great (only a few deaths) even though we played quite recklessly. The surprise at Hamidon was that every single Mito and Hamidon itself spawned at level 50, +4 compared to the team. I doubt it's hard to imagine we weren't able to take Hamidon down, not even the Mitos.
My question related to this is: are they supposed to spawn at 50? If they aren't I'll just be frustrated because our TF failed because of a bug, and if they are I'm going to be somewhat more frustrated because you don't get warned about that when starting the TF.
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