Call of the Sandman

Anyone know from experience if it's worth it say on a /SR toon? Thats the one thing stopping me from getting into a SR character, i feel like if anything gets through, im done.

So, how do you guys deal with it?(Except Bill, because I already know he thinks aid self is for pansies, and I hate aid self )

Well I have a SR toon and it's straight. Most of the time the mob is whiffing but when you get hit you feel it a bit more than say an invul who get hit more often but can absorb more of the hits or a regen who can regain hp faster.

For the most part though even a SO SR can survive easily in most situations and an IO one can survive a bit more but all just about irrelevant if you come across a mob that has super extra hit or one that chop away at your defense. Well in a way every build have some sort of kryptonite one way or another and just so happens that the one for SR is ones with very buffed up acc.

Some people use SR in conjuction with dark melee or one of the two blades with parry or the likes. I dont see much SR anymore though.

Call of the sandman is not exspensive so it's one of those sets you can try out and if no work well get rid of.

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I think the way you deal with the binay nature of Super Reflexes is to pick up Tough and a lot of hit points. A heal helps, of course, but unless you're doing no-inspiration stuff, I'd think that greens would cover it most of the time. I do think Dark Melee is perfect with Super Reflexes due to the self heal in the attack chain, but lots of things work well with Super Reflexes. Still, no matter how much you buff it, your hit points can still move rapidly when you do get hit. You need to be more on your toes than you do with some secondaries.

As for mobs chopping away at your defense, a well-built Super Reflexes should have 95% defense debuff resistance, so that's just never been a serious issue for me. But yeah, mobs with to-hit can be nasty. Fortunately, outside of Architect Entertainment, there are VERY few of those. Stay away from Overseers. But that pretty much goes for everyone.

As for the original question, I wouldn't slot an attack for sleep, and you can get hit point and recharge bonuses in better ways.

Yes I was referring to the chance for heal, im sorry for not specifying.

As for the relationship between elec/sr, its my choice after elec/regen. I feel like for some reason regen is a good secondary, but after reading a few posts, i keep second guessing myself. Any advice? Is SR a good secondary? Or should I use something else?

Super Reflexes is an excellent secondary. It has been somewhat eclipsed by Shield Defense, but it can hit the soft cap more easily, so it's still a good choice, particularly on a budget. It's also a self-sufficient secondary, at least as long as you're willing to use inspirations. Some secondaries I'd be afraid to touch without a primary that brought a lot of damage mitigation to the table (Fire Armor, for instance). Super Reflexes doesn't need help from the primary. It IS a bit of a late bloomer, where having a low amount of defense, as you will for a while, is almost as bad as having no defense. I think it becomes reasonably-solid in the mid to late 20s, but it may be until the mid 30s before you start feeling like it's doing its job. It's all gravy from there, though, assuming you keep focusing on powers that add defense.

Nothing wrong with Regeneration either. It's easy mode for just normal play at normal difficulty settings, but it can be tricky to play at the edge of the envelope. And even once you've mastered it, I'd say you'll only have equivalent survivability to other sets. You don't really get rewarded with better survivability. The reward, if you consider it one, is in mastering it, in surviving against the odds when you've managed to do everything right, and how good that can feel. Would you prefer to cruise down the interstate in the back seat of a limo? Or do you want to be on a motorcycle, blasting through traffic at twice the speed limit, flirting with disaster with every move you make? Regeneration is that wild motorcycle ride. And Regeneration will never let you down. The vast majority of your deaths won't be because you ran out of click powers. They'll be because you clicked the wrong one for the situation, or weren't fast enough, or anticipated the incoming damage incorrectly, or you used one that you didn't need so didn't have it when you really needed it. There's almost always something you could have done to have survived, if only you were smarter, better, faster. And I like a set that encourages me to be smarter, better and faster.

Now, Regeneration IS a set where I'd want good mitigation from my primary, like Katana or Broad Sword. But plenty of people play it successfully with less-mitigating primaries. My hat's off to them, because that skeers me.

Yea, I'm having a rough time deciding whether or not my current secondary of choice(regen) is optimal for my primary(elec). It seems as though SR would be great for the alphas that will come after a good LR, but at the same time, regen will fill the gap if anything gets by. I love defense, and after being somewhat IO'd with my current scrap Claw/Inv, I feel great when all of my foes "miss". This is where I feel i might get frustrated with Regen unless I build for defense AND recharge.

Whats the general consensus of a good secondary for elec melee? Do you go for the self heals of regen? Or the fast paced hit it or quit it of SR? I DONT like aid self. The overall animation and concept of needing "help" from some foreign tech device regardless of origin frustrates me.

Eh, I tend to not follow the FoTM route in games, and it seems everyone and their brother and possibly sister have an elec/SD. Not to say it isn't effective, I just don't tend to follow the pack per-say.

The secondary is not solely between SR and Regen, I'm just looking for a little guidance. Call of the Sandman is a no-go then huh?

Yes, but unfortunatly the parade will come to an end when sd is "looked at" by the devs and changed. If i invest alot of time into the character that is optimal only to come out sub optimal, i may get a little frustrated. Best just to leave it be.

I have the heal proc from Sandman on my mind controller and my ice tank. It's helpful in a minor way but both of those use AoE Sleeps. I think if you just slap it into a single-target punch you are going to see very, very, very little benefit.

My MA/SR doesn't have a heal and he does really well (he has Tough though). The vast majority of the time an occasional green is all you need because you just don't get hit that often. If you are on a team and there is even just a smidge of healing going on then you are golden.

Yea, I see what you mean. Owell, I guess I'll just have to build for regen on an SR if noone else has anything to say about other secondaries

Yea, Iv'e read another post of yours that stated something along those lines. Unfortunately, minus AAO, SD doesn't do anything for me in terms of liking the set after they nerf SC. I'm sure it will still be a good combination, it's just that from the beginning of time, when devs nerf something, more than likely, they swing for the fences.

The heal proc is useless. I tried slotting 3 at one point and they heal for so little it isn't noticeable.

The best way to add survivability to an /SR toon (once soft capped) is to add hitpoints.