Why can't I slot a particular Set IO?


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Hello, I'm not new to Paragon city but I'm very new to the invention system.
I was wondering why it is that I cannot slot a level 20 Essence of Curare: Accuracy/Recharge on my level 17 blaster's primary or secondary powers.

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but I can't find anything in-game or on the forums or even in the paragonwiki.

Thanks for your help.


 

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Do you have a hold to slot it in?

Damage IOs go into damaging powers(primarily)

Holds go into powers that hold

etc.


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Originally Posted by ioshie View Post
Hello, I'm not new to Paragon city but I'm very new to the invention system.
I was wondering why it is that I cannot slot a level 20 Essence of Curare: Accuracy/Recharge on my level 17 blaster's primary or secondary powers.

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but I can't find anything in-game or on the forums or even in the paragonwiki.

Thanks for your help.
They must be slotted in the correct type of power. Essence of Curare is a Hold set, IIRC. Unless you're slotting it in a hold, it won't work. You can't just go by what it enhances (acc/rech.)


 

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Originally Posted by Decorum View Post
Because it only goes in powers with Hold. You must not have any.

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Essence of Curare is from a Hold Set. It can only be slotted into powers that have a hold function. I was going to provide a link to the Inventions page of the wiki, but you've already been there.

Check out the new site for Red Tomax's City of Data. It has a section listing all of the various Sets, which can be sorted by Category. It also has info about the set bonuses and what's needed to craft it, filtered by the level of the particular IO. It can be found here: http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/inventions/

Hope this helps!


 

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Originally Posted by ioshie View Post
Hello, I'm not new to Paragon city but I'm very new to the invention system.
I was wondering why it is that I cannot slot a level 20 Essence of Curare: Accuracy/Recharge on my level 17 blaster's primary or secondary powers.

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but I can't find anything in-game or on the forums or even in the paragonwiki.

Thanks for your help.
That IO is part of a Hold set and goes into hold powers... unless you're electric you probably don't have any holds on your blaster therefore the IO isn't useful to you. Unfortunately it isn't worth much on the market either.

Different IO sets go into different types of powers. As I said Hold sets go into Hold powers, while melee damage sets go into single target melee attacks like punches and kicks, range damage sets go into single target ranged attacks like most of your blaster's single target blasts, targeted AOE sets go into things like Fireball and other AOE ranged attacks.

There are LOTS of different categories of IO sets and a specific power will usually only accept one or two of those categories. When you start getting into IO set builds things can get really complicated in a big hurry.

Read up on Paragon Wiki about IO sets, download Mid's Hero Designer from www.cohplanner.com for the essential tool in planning your builds. I'd suggest going to the Blaster forum for more specific advise about your powersets and build.

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Apparently I type too slowly


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Oh, I think I understand.
So even though the specific enhancement affects accuracy and recharge, any Essence of Curare has to go into a hold power?

That wasn't very clear when I invented it


 

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Essence of Curare is a "Hold" set; at the bottom of your power, after it says which Enhancement types it can take, it will also say which set types it can take. Categories include things like "Melee Damage", "PBAoE Damage", "Targetted AoE Damage" and "Ranged Damage" (the most common types Blasters will be using, in most cases). Look out for those.

Here is a list of the different set types. You can also use the Wiki to find your powersets (here) and see what Invention Sets go in each power (for instance, that Ice Blast's Freeze Ray can take Hold sets.)


 

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Originally Posted by ioshie View Post
Oh, I think I understand.
So even though the specific enhancement affects accuracy and recharge, any Essence of Curare has to go into a hold power?

That wasn't very clear when I invented it
You mentioned being at the Paragon Wiki. The enhancements will tell you what type of enhancement they are, but if you look at this page, you can see what type of enhancement set it is. (Also, hovering over the power in the enhancement screen, it'll tell you what it can take - for instance, an elec blaster's blasts will show ranged damage and endmod. (edit: among others, but most of the blasts will have at least those two categories.))

Edit2: Look below. This is the info from hovering over the recipe (the regular IO should do the same - this is from a Kismet 6% acc global recipe - which I forgot I had. >.> ) The circled section is the type of power it goes in. Your Essence will say "Holds" there.


 

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This has already been answered, but I thought I'd come say how chirpy this thread has made me. Not one mean, sarcastic, or mocking reply, and everyone trying to help out.

I love this community.


 

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Well it's a common mistake that everyone has done at least once after the introduction of IO sets. It's the IO set version of trying to use the exit area to board a train.


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Eh. I guess I spent too much time editing my screenshots. Anyway, since it's done, here's an illustration:


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It's the IO set version of trying to use the exit area to board a train.
... only trying to use the exit area doesn't cost you 209,000 inf to craft it.

The good news is, with a little patience, you can PROBABLY make money on that mistake by selling the crafted item. My first big-ticket sales on the market came from planning out a blaster build, screwing up the plan, and selling my mistakes.


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Father Xmas wonders why the damn door won't close:

Well it's a common mistake that everyone has done at least once after the introduction of IO sets. It's the IO set version of trying to use the exit area to board a train.
Ha! No doubt. Nice comparison.


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Thank you everyone. So helpful and very informative.

I knew I could count on this awesome community


 

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Originally Posted by ioshie View Post
Oh, I think I understand.
So even though the specific enhancement affects accuracy and recharge, any Essence of Curare has to go into a hold power?

That wasn't very clear when I invented it

when dealing with invention enhancements, the common ones can be slotted in any power... commons are all the ones that have "invention" in the name... like Invention: Accuracy, Invention: Damage, etc.

Invention Set Enhancements go in specific types of powers, like melee damage, ranged damage, holds, healing etc... and most of them have the ability to enhance more than one aspect of a power, like accuracy/damage. some powers take more than one type of set due to secondary effects in those powers. for example, an Electric/Electric blasters Tier 1 blast "Charged Bolts" can take set IOs from the Ranged Damage category and the Endurance Modification category.

All powers and invention set recipes list what they can take... by moving the mouse over a power in your powers screen (where you go to slot enhancements) it will make a popup window telling you about the power.. this will list what types of sets it takes, see below:



So this power, Fire Sword, takes only sets that are marked as "Melee Damage". below is one of the recipes in my inventory... again, hovering the mouse over the recipes icon will show a popup that tells about that specific recipe:



So this recipe, Decimation: Dam/Rech, is only for powers that accept Ranged Damage set enhancements, and won't work in my Melee power, which only accepts Melee Damage sets.

A good way to get familiar with recipes that will work in your powers is to first look at the power you want to enhance and see what set types it will take (see image 1)... then go to the market and click on "Recipes" in the left side pane... this will open a list of all the set types... just go to the one for your power (like Ranged Damage for your blast powers) click it, and it will list the sets available under that category, see below:



Hopefully this will clear things up for you in the future

*EDIT: lol... serial was faster than me, haha


 

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
for instance, an elec blaster's blasts will show ranged damage and endmod.
and bill beat me too it also, and with one of the same examples I used no less

you guys are good, haha...


 

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Just look at all the pretty pictures!

I really have nothing else to add except "welcome to IOs, ioshie!"

I just wanted to say "IOs, ioshie" because it sounded kinda poetic.


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Pohsyb! Can you make the Set Type an IO is easier to spot? It's sorta in the middle of a data mash. Maybe right below the set name, and color-coded? Pretty please?

I would love that so much


 

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Originally Posted by Ad Astra View Post
I just wanted to say "IOs, ioshie" because it sounded kinda poetic.
"IOs, IOs, it's off to work we go..."


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Originally Posted by Sailboat View Post
"IOs, IOs, it's off to work we go..."
Need to rename them Advanced Origin... "A-O. Aaa-o, daylight come and I wan' go home..."


 

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Originally Posted by Ad Astra View Post
I just wanted to say "IOs, ioshie" because it sounded kinda poetic.
Allons-y Alonso!


As for the invention thing - there are a few other things to watch out for

Unique - you can only slot up to one of each of these in your entire build
Purples - Level 47 isn't good enough, you need to reach level 50 to slot these. Also, all purples are UNIQUE
Chance for X - On powers that you have to click to activate once, you get either one chance for it to trigger, or one chance for each target your power affects. On powers that are toggles, or that summon field effects that can't be targetted, there's a chance for it to go off when triggered and once every 10 seconds the power remains going after initial activation.
Set bonuses - To get an invention set bonus, enhancements from the same set must be slotted in the same power
One Set IO of a Kind Per Power - You can't put two Essence of Curare: Acc/Rech in the same power. You can, however, slot a second one in a different hold power, or slot an Essence of Curare: Acc/Rech along with an Essence of Curare: Hold/End in the same power (or say, all 6 enhancements from the set in the same power).


 

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This is why this community is good. Within 11 minutes, this guy had 6 responses all telling him different ways to get to the same point. Then shortly after his second post, people had pictures up with detailed instructions on how to read IO's, all without a single bit of mockery, sarcasm, or idiocy. This is one of the things that keeps me around.


 

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Originally Posted by runt9 View Post
This is why this community is good. Within 11 minutes, this guy had 6 responses all telling him different ways to get to the same point. Then shortly after his second post, people had pictures up with detailed instructions on how to read IO's, all without a single bit of mockery, sarcasm, or idiocy. This is one of the things that keeps me around.

Jerk.