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Farming Brute

Achilles6

By Achilles6,
Posted on: 2010-07-10 16:25 in Brutes

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bionic_Flea View Post
Smurphy, when your spawns are spread out you need to make them come to you by herding. If you have the fire aura on your brute, just run by a few groups and then break line of sight by going into a container or around a corner. When they all come to you, Firey embrace, immobile, burn, cackle with glee, repeat.

If you don't have the aura you can use taunt or any attack to generate some aggro.
This answer is accurate:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryuuk View Post
Not to speak for Smurphy, but I think his main point is that anything other than running from group to group is inefficient, if you have to herd mobs the time you spend isn't made up for by burn or anything else. If there's a map with a nice corner every 30 feet and the mobs at close, regular intervals that'd be a different story, but Lib certainly isn't it.
I'm open to the concept that herding and using Burn could be more effective. I simply have not been able to do it myself nor seen it done by someone else. As I said above, I am greatly interested in seeing Burn used more effectively than my normal strategy on any map that can drop purple recipes.

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Farming for Purples
Mu: 48.87 Enemies per minute. (359k Inf/Minute) +0/x8 No Bosses, Liberate
Mu: 37.43 Enemies per minute. (348k Inf/Minute) +0/x8 Bosses, Liberate

Farming for Inf/Prestige/XP
Mu: 515k Inf/Minute (27.8 defeats) +3/x8 No Bosses, Liberate
Mu: 443.2k Inf/Minute (18.01 Defeats) +2/x8 Bosses, Liberate
I would be greatly interested in seeing someone use Burn and generate numbers superior to any of those on a map that can drop purples.

*EDIT*
I've had lots of similar discussions like this one in my CoH career. Often someone would say "I did this" and I'd respond "No way". Then he'd say "Yeah way" and I'd say "Prove it". Then he'd prove it with me watching. Then I'd steal his secrets, utilize them myself and incorporate them into my own strategy and eventually claim them as my own.

Smurphy: stealer of knowledge.
Smurphy: never had an original thought.

**Chalk up inspiration binds, attacking while jumping into packs and 2x Hurdle into those categories. Small changes add up into big results.

 

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Using normal maps I don't think you'll be more effective using Burn. Most of the times, on a map like Liberate, the mobs are too spread out so herding will slow you down. That's why I dropped Burn because I didn't even use it while farming.

Like I said before, the only map I can think of where you would benefit more from using Burn and herding is the nemesis platform.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratos View Post
Never tried it before, just sounds like a lot frequent mission resetting. I yield about 47 kills per minute, so I'd have to reset every 5 minutes or so. Might giver it a whirl and see how it goes. I just have to factor in the reset times into my clearing rate. Shall see...
Unless you are on a steam-powered computer, it shouldn't take more than a minute or so between resets (since it doesn't take long to SS/SJ back to the mission door, zone, reset the mission, and re-enter).

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Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by macskull View Post
Unless you are on a steam-powered computer, it shouldn't take more than a minute or so between resets (since it doesn't take long to SS/SJ back to the mission door, zone, reset the mission, and re-enter).
Sounds like a Nemesis plot.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad

 

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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer View Post
Like I said before, the only map I can think of where you would benefit more from using Burn and herding is the nemesis platform.
Don't even need to herd too much with that map. I threw up a recording of a run with my SS/Fire/Mu, and you can see that Burn has at least some utility here (it's also worth noting that Nemesis like to lock themselves into really long animations, which is nice when they're standing right next to you in a Burn patch).

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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

 

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hey mac skull what is that toggle u have on right beside of tough ive never seen it and im curious as to what it might be

Also im looking for a good farming build for SS/fire mine just recently hit 50 and imworking on getting the Liberate Television Nemesis farm and id like to have a good farm build if anyone might have one

 

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I'm guessing that it's fire aura, but it looks more like quills because of the color.

50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM

Overlord of Dream Team and Nightmare Squad

 

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It is Blazing Aura, but I'm using an icon correction pack (unfortunately due to that site's new setup you need to register for an account to download it, but registration is free) so the power icon's probably not what you're used to.

Regarding a build, this is what I'm running with my SS/Fires - it's not the best but it's fairly cheap (put it together for around 300, 400 million a few months back).

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.707
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(21)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(3), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), S'fstPrt-ResKB(5)
Level 2: Haymaker -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(5), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Dct'dW-Heal(13)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), FrcFbk-Rchg/EndRdx(36)
Level 10: Blazing Aura -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(40), Acc-I(40)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Super Speed -- QckFt-RunSpd(A), QckFt-EndRdx(43)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(17), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), S'fstPrt-ResKB(19)
Level 18: Rage -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(33), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(34), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(34)
Level 20: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(33), Mrcl-Heal(33), Mrcl-Rcvry+(40)
Level 22: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(31), P'Shift-End%(31)
Level 24: Consume -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(25), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(27), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(27), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(29), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 26: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 28: Burn -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Erad-Acc/Rchg(46), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 30: Boxing -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(43)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), EndRdx-I(39)
Level 35: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 38: Rise of the Phoenix -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(42), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(42)
Level 44: School of Sharks -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(45), Posi-Dam%(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), EndRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Bile Spray -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Dam%(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(50), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 49: Temperature Protection -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 0: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:

  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  • 5.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  • 3.13% Defense(Energy)
  • 3.13% Defense(Negative)
  • 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
  • 1.8% Max End
  • 45% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  • 48% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  • 4% Enhancement(Heal)
  • 15% FlySpeed
  • 264.2 HP (17.6%) HitPoints
  • 15% JumpHeight
  • 15% JumpSpeed
  • Knockback (Mag -12)
  • Knockup (Mag -12)
  • MezResist(Immobilize) 7.7%
  • MezResist(Sleep) 6.6%
  • MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
  • MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
  • 12.5% (0.21 End/sec) Recovery
  • 4.41% Resistance(Fire)
  • 4.41% Resistance(Cold)
  • 15% RunSpeed




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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

 

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I've been working on a farming brute, and I think this is pretty decent. I picked up Rise of the Phoenix simply due to how often I die, but as I get better, I'll need it less and less, so when that happens, I'll swap it for Fiery Embrace. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.707
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

work in progress: Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 1: Fire Shield -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(3), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), TtmC'tng-ResDam(5)
Level 2: Haymaker -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(27), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 4: Healing Flames -- Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(A), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(29), Mrcl-Heal(31), Numna-Heal/Rchg(31), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(9), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 10: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Plasma Shield -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(17), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17), TtmC'tng-ResDam(23), TtmC'tng-EndRdx(25)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(19), Mrcl-Heal(19), Mrcl-Rcvry+(23)
Level 20: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(21)
Level 22: Rage -- AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(A), AdjTgt-Rchg(39)
Level 24: Blazing Aura -- M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(A), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 26: Boxing -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(48), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(48), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(50), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(50)
Level 28: Temperature Protection -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResPsi(29)
Level 30: Burn -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(37), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(37), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(33), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(33), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(33), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%(34)
Level 35: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(36), TtmC'tng-ResDam(36), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 38: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(39), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(40), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(40), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(40), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(43)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(42), Posi-Dmg/Rng(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Ball Lightning -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(45), Posi-Dmg/Rng(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 47: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt/Rng(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(48)
Level 49: Rise of the Phoenix -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 6: Ninja Run



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After reading all the threads and links I just found out I was farming wrong !!

I didn't know or think to turn off bosses.

Otherwise really nice stuff here and great read through all the threads.. Nice to learn a few things..

1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives

 

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Hurdle 2-slotted with jump enhancements. Slotted-up Hurdle + CJ really is the best in-combat movement you can get in this game save teaming with a Kin.

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Originally Posted by evil_tim View Post
Why /mu and not /soul?

With soul tentacles, you get an immobilize power that still lets footstomp do it's knockdown, so isn't that better than electric fences? And I also thought that gloom is better than mu lightning. So that leaves ball lightning as maybe being a little better than dark obliteration, but with the other two, particularly no knockdown prevention in soul tentacles, doesn't /soul work a little better than /mu for this combo?

I guess if you're not using lightning field and just taking mu lightning and ball lightning that comes out fairly equal to gloom and dark obliteration.

I've never farmed with a SS/Fire, so I don't know. I'm curious, though.
When farming with a melee toon you are (or should be) always in the middle of tons of mobs. Elec fences is much more likely to get a whole spawn locked down in a burn patch than Soul Tentacles' narrow cone. Most farmers take Ball Lightning and Elec fences since they are true AoE powers and you don't have to position yourslef to hit everything.

Comparing just the single target range powers, yes Gloom is better than Mu Lighting in overall damage, but on farmer builds AoE is king.

Lastly, if you have spent enough time and effort putting together your farmer build, you should not have to worry about petty things like mitigation from footstomp.

 

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Originally Posted by Greyhame View Post
What do people usually slot for on those ss/wp budget farmers? I have a lvl 40 of that combination sitting around that I could finish leveling, but IOs don't seem to do much for WP. It would benefit from perf.shifter+end procs and miracle/numina uniques... after that recharge? hp?.

I'm more accustomed to builds that stack defense or need high recharge for a key power and WP doesn't really match those.
HP, Regen, Recharge. If you take Combat Jumping and Weave you have a total of 4 spots for LoTG +recharge once you get some funds together. Then you still have the potential of 5 purple sets as well. Stun (boxing or jab), Melee, PBAOE, TAOE and ranged.

Now granted you can stack defense to a point on WP, but I have not found a way to do that and still maintain the very high recharge that I like for farming. Therefore I tend to go with more HP and regen.