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So where do the PVP and Co-Op zones come in? The former seems more likely.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
I know, I know... It's a nemesis plot...whatever...
spoilers... We are lead to believe that red and blue side happens at the same time and in the same universe, but a quick read of the Task Force and Strike Force reveals that Silos is either messing with everyone or CoV and CoH are taking place in alternate dimensions. What do I mean? |
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I think the best assumption to take with the in-game storylines is that you the player are the main character. There's other supers around you, but they're just incidental. On SuperMcVillainDude, Silos is only ever assigning his task to SuperMcVillainDude (or SuperMcVillainDude's team). On DarkDarkittyDarkMan, Silos is only ever assigning his task to DarkDarkittyDarkMan. On HolyPaladin of Justice, Silos is only ever assigning his task to HoloyPaladin of Justice. Each of your characters is in his own universe, and you're always the main character. This explains why each of your characters saves the world or screws everything up the same way each time.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
If we are to believe it's the same universe this would seem to mean that Silos is just messing with all the heroes/villains OR it is assumed that only one hero/villain gets to Silos and the Villains side comes first and then at some point Silos decides Heroes are right...
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Or, if you don't like that interpretation, the letter sender is right, you shouldn't trust Silos, and he's just messing with everyone using alternate timelines. (Actually, this second interpretation is supported by the Paragon Time article September 27, 2007.)
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Originally Posted by Durakken
Could Mender Silos be Manticore or Protean from the future? Could Nemesis be Manticore/Protean from the future working to change time?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Silos. Manticore, and Nemeis all has higher tech than average. Nemesis has no birth date, nor does Silos... It isn't hard to imagine that Manticore in the future develops cybernetic technology, goes back in time and starts changing the world as nemesis but discovers later this leads down the wrong path and then becomes silos...|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
No, Silos is Nemesis. It's not even a question any more. And neither Manticore nor Protean are Nemesis, considering Nemesis was born generations before either of them. |
but whatever ^.^
The question becomes if Silos is just messing with everyone... what's his goal?
I think Manticore would sooner take one of his own enema arrows in the eye LONG before he allowed himself to become Nemesis/Silos.
And Protean . . . well, [SPOILERS] whoever is behind the letters and is moving against Silos has conscripted Protean (and Ajax).
All of this is already explained with in-game canon (well, all expect the self-inflicted retinal enema).
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Gerhardt Eisenstadt is confirmed to be over 100 years old (and closer to 200 than to 100). Nemesis is titled the Prussian Prince of Automatons; Prussia was effectively abolished in 1934, and absolutely abolished in 1947. (Anyone born after 1934 would be unlikely to call themselves Prussian.)|
Originally Posted by Durakken
Nemesis has no birth date, nor does Silos...
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I suppose it's possible that Anton Jaeger could be old enough to be born in Prussia (he'd be around 70+ years old, but his shapeshifting powers could give him a youthful appearance), but he's always called a German villain, not a Prussian one. Justin Sinclair, on the other hand, is not old enough to be alive while Prussia existed, and he's got English origin, not German.
We've also been told that the Praetorian counterpart to Gerhardt Eisenstadt died a happy old man in Prussia, suggesting that Nemesis was born before 1890.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
It isn't hard to imagine that Manticore in the future develops cybernetic technology, goes back in time and starts changing the world as nemesis but discovers later this leads down the wrong path and then becomes silos...
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Gerhardt Eisenstadt is confirmed to be over 100 years old (and closer to 200 than to 100). Nemesis is titled the Prussian Prince of Automatons; Prussia was effectively abolished in 1934, and absolutely abolished in 1947. (Anyone born after 1934 would be unlikely to call themselves Prussian.)
I suppose it's possible that Anton Jaeger could be old enough to be born in Prussia (he'd be around 70+ years old, but his shapeshifting powers could give him a youthful appearance), but he's always called a German villain, not a Prussian one. Justin Sinclair, on the other hand, is not old enough to be alive while Prussia existed, and he's got English origin, not German. We've also been told that the Praetorian counterpart to Gerhardt Eisenstadt died a happy old man in Prussia, suggesting that Nemesis was born before 1890. Considering Manticore's technology is more along the line of Batman (y'know... actual modern technology) vs. the steampunk of Lord Nemesis, I find it unlikely. You're pulling at straws. |
We don't know the events of the future... anyone that lives that long could easily change for aesthetic reasons or for practical reason yet unknown...
My thoughts have always been thus...
Not even the Menders know what the Coming Storm is. (they are forbidden to talk to about it) They all think it is a different, seperate cataclysm. Thats why they give you sometimes seemingly opposing tasks.
Mender Silos is using them, possibly harnessing the power from all these temporal changes.
Always remember, we were Heroes.
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I'm not talking about "did stuff during year XYZQ". I'm talking about birthdates. In particular, those dates combined with Praetorian Gerhardt Eisenstadt is a strong case for Nemesis being unrelated to the other two characters.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
Those dates mean nothing when dealing with time travel...
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Praetorian Gerhardt was born and died in Prussia; this means he had to die before 1947, and most likely before 1934. He also died an old man, I interpret this as at least 60. This puts Gerhardt's birthdate (and therefore the birthdate of every Lord Nemesis in the multiverse) some time before 1887. Manticore and Protean were born after that.
Unless you want to suggest that Manticore develops time travel, goes back in time 200 years, forges the birth certificates and life history of a Prussian clockmaker, gains an accent, and develops a line of technology that's almost the polar opposite to what he had ever used up until that point in his own lifetime -- not to mention dropping his favored form of combat -- to become a world-renowned archvillain... y'know, that makes so little sense my brain is about to implode. I don't even know how to managed to even think that Manticore and Nemesis could be the same person in the first place, and the more you look at the game lore (which you should have already done, considering your little side project), the more ridiculous it gets.
Protean at least has some connection, since Gerhardt and Anton were both born in the same region of the world, and both became villains. So Protean just has to develop time travel which he's never exhibited and technology he's never used. Oh, and the birth certificates and life story. And the whole not using his shapeshifting powers anymore thing... yeah, this doesn't hold up to any scrutiny either. At all.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Durakken is being Durakken.
Your ordinary human CoH canon, logic, and plausibility has no place here.
Ignore all that is already well established if it doesn't match whatever whim enters your head.
If you haven't read it or understood it then matters even less.
Now go forth and think in Durakken fashion!
i'll go get the aspirin ready.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Not that I'm supporting Durakken or anything, but this bit is next to meaningless, there's little reason to believe that all versions of a character through out the Multiverse will share a common birthday as we already have Sister Psyche and Mother Mayhem not sharing birthdays.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Praetorian Gerhardt was born and died in Prussia; this means he had to die before 1947, and most likely before 1934. He also died an old man, I interpret this as at least 60. This puts Gerhardt's birthdate (and therefore the birthdate of every Lord Nemesis in the multiverse) some time before 1887. Manticore and Protean were born after that.
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Silos is not messing with everyone. Each single character is the focal point of their game. What happens to other characters has no bearing on what happens in that character's "world".|
Originally Posted by Durakken
The question becomes if Silos is just messing with everyone... what's his goal?
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Silos only talks to Character A in Character A's world. Silos does not talk to Character B in Character A's world, because Character B is not the world's savior/the destined one/whatever. Character A is.
Silos only talks to Character B in Character B's world. Silos does not talk to Character A in Character B's world, because Character A is not the world's savior/the destined one/whatever. Character B is.
Your entire theory is doodie because it starts out based on doodie.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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On the other hand, come GR...
Villain runs Trading Places.
Villain becomes Rogue.
Rogue becomes Hero.
Hero runs Trading Places.
Zomg! T3h ebil!
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
I frankly find it easier to see Ouroborus content exactly how it's described: None of it matters. It'll all be undone again by some OTHER temporal tampering. Both Characters A and B were given the mission by Silos, but neither of them are any more the the world's savior/the destined one/whatever than the other.
Nemesis is just using Ouroboros to toughen up heroes and villains alike, giving them a scenario to play out which he thinks is best suited for that given character's moral alignments.
Doodie, eh?
I really can't subscribe to the concept that we're each the star in some canned universe, that is far too much of a disrespect to all the other players' characters. Any content written that way always leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. Repeatable, from a canonical standpoint, is the way I'd rather things go. And, every now and again, have some once-in-a-lifetime event that can give players the opportunity to make history with their characters.
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Originally Posted by VileTerror
Repeatable, from a canonical standpoint, is the way I'd rather things go.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Each of your characters is the star in each of their universes. Each of my characters is the star in each of their universes. Each of Fleeting Whisper's characters is the star in each of their universes. How is that disrespecting others' characters?|
Originally Posted by VileTerror
I really can't subscribe to the concept that we're each the star in some canned universe, that is far too much of a disrespect to all the other players' characters.
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Everyone's character is the special one, according to them - AND according to the way the game is generally presented, via story arcs. Only one person can save Statesman from Tyrant, after all...unless the world at large is incredibly jaded and accepts a complete moron who constantly gets kidnapped by their biggest alternate dimension foe. No, each story arc is presented as "the only time this has happened, this hasn't happened before, nope, this is something totally different".
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Aggelakis I don't think that works very well with Going Rogue coming... as someone already mentioned... run hero side then run villain side...you now have a problem.
As far as the whole Manticore... Durakken + sleepy + Heat + Broken AC = Durakken gone more insane.
I think it could be:
1. Nemesis experimentation. If you've got back-up plans for your back-up plans for your contingency plans and everything is a plot? Well, messing with timelines/dimensions is a good way to test ideas.
2a. Enforcement of a status-quo (of course, one could ask if there's more than one Ouroboros/Silos or you're being used to keep other Ouroboros-enabled folks in check).
2b. Resetting the status-quo. Perhaps each go into the past or future isn't bringing about the exact results Silos wants/needs. As such? Reset, try again.
3. Testing YOU out... to see how you might act or react in potentially pivotal moments. Will you choke? Will you come through?
I know, I know... It's a nemesis plot...whatever...
spoilers...
We are lead to believe that red and blue side happens at the same time and in the same universe, but a quick read of the Task Force and Strike Force reveals that Silos is either messing with everyone or CoV and CoH are taking place in alternate dimensions. What do I mean?
Silos tells villains to help Recluse succeed.
Silos tells heroes to help the Freedom Phalanx succeed.
If we are to believe it's the same universe this would seem to mean that Silos is just messing with all the heroes/villains OR it is assumed that only one hero/villain gets to Silos and the Villains side comes first and then at some point Silos decides Heroes are right...
Also Silos says that he is in some way responsible for the destruction of the universe and then says Manticore is perhaps what the world's existence is hinged on...
Could Mender Silos be Manticore or Protean from the future? Could Nemesis be Manticore/Protean from the future working to change time?