Blizzard to remove the veil of anonymity


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Except you would have STILL had controll over your name and identity, BY NOT POSTING ON THEIR FORUMS. Keep in mind, forums are no way essential to a game. Look at CoH/V: It's widely been known that only around 1% of the playerbase is active on the forums.
Also, there is the matter of friends of friends seeing the RealID names. Unless that has also been changed or I am completely misreading that. If a friend of a friend, who you may or may not know, has the opportunity to find out the RL names of others, then there is also another problem.

The only ones that should be able to see your real name are those you chose to let see it. Not friend of friend of friend, etc.



 

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Except that in principle, it wasn't a bad idea. Were there some legitimate concerns that needed to be addressed? Yes. But the idea itself wasn't a bad idea.
Says you :P

Obviously, a lot of people thought it was quite a bad idea indeed!

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And even if it WAS a truly bad idea, would you have prefer they just told their fanbase "[censored] it, quit your crying, and deal with it"?
Of course not, but them backing down doesn't change that they intended to do it. Whatever they do from now on, I've learned that I can't trust them to have sensible ideas in regards to privacy. Especially since they've left the door open to try this or something like it again later, and have more "plans" for it than they've yet explained.


 

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Originally Posted by LiquidX View Post
Except that in principle, it wasn't a bad idea. Were there some legitimate concerns that needed to be addressed? Yes. But the idea itself wasn't a bad idea. And even if it WAS a truly bad idea, would you have prefer they just told their fanbase "[censored] it, quit your crying, and deal with it"? Or would you have prefered they listen, like they did?
When it comes to a violation of people's privacy, they never should have considered it at all.

And they still haven't completely taken everything their doing back, just the posting of real names in the forums. There's still ways to get someone's name via addons involving Real ID.

Also, there is no mention of a pullback for Starcraft 2 or Diablo 3


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Except you would have STILL had controll over your name and identity, BY NOT POSTING ON THEIR FORUMS. Keep in mind, forums are no way essential to a game. Look at CoH/V: It's widely been known that only around 1% of the playerbase is active on the forums.
Even in this game, customer support actively encourages players to take certain kinds of problems to the forums. Blizzard seems to have similar policies.

Even so, my exercise of control would not have been by simply electing not to post. Knowing that information was linked in the manner it would have to be, and knowing how fantastic the security surrounding such systems tends to be, I would exercise control by demanding that personal information be revoked from their databases. What I'm being told by others that know a lot more than me is that there are a lot of other loopholes in RealID than just forum posting, and lots of ways to accidentally trip over them if you don't know they exist.

I don't know, so I wouldn't take the chance until I knew for certain every way that information is used under all contexts. Which is an awful lot of research just to decide whether to sign in to play a game.


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Originally Posted by LiquidX View Post
Except that in principle, it wasn't a bad idea. Were there some legitimate concerns that needed to be addressed? Yes. But the idea itself wasn't a bad idea. And even if it WAS a truly bad idea, would you have prefer they just told their fanbase "[censored] it, quit your crying, and deal with it"? Or would you have prefered they listen, like they did?
There are so many problems with ALL their Real ID, FB and policy change baloney, their stepping back on just 1 aspect of it, especially after such an uproar is not what I would prefer at all. That their "listening" comes off as completely arrogant and not understanding, and ignoring many of the issues this raised, while promising to push these issues again in the future really makes this *not* a win.


 

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What I'm being told by others that know a lot more than me is that there are a lot of other loopholes in RealID than just forum posting, and lots of ways to accidentally trip over them if you don't know they exist.
There is a slash command you can use ingame to obtain the real ID of any player. Many mods/addons have incorporated it already to make it even easier to use.


 

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Also, there is the matter of friends of friends seeing the RealID names. Unless that has also been changed or I am completely misreading that. If a friend of a friend, who you may or may not know, has the opportunity to find out the RL names of others, then there is also another problem.

The only ones that should be able to see your real name are those you chose to let see it. Not friend of friend of friend, etc.
And with that, I agree, and was one of the legitimate concerns mentioned in another post.


 

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When it comes to a violation of people's privacy, they never should have considered it at all.

And they still haven't completely taken everything their doing back, just the posting of real names in the forums. There's still ways to get someone's name via addons involving Real ID.

Also, there is no mention of a pullback for Starcraft 2 or Diablo 3
Except it's not a violation when you have the ability to chose. In this case, you could have chosen NOT to use their forums, and thus it wouldn't be displayed. Now, as for friends of friends being able to see your real ID? Yeah, THAT needs to be changed.


 

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Except that in principle, it wasn't a bad idea. Were there some legitimate concerns that needed to be addressed? Yes. But the idea itself wasn't a bad idea. And even if it WAS a truly bad idea, would you have prefer they just told their fanbase "[censored] it, quit your crying, and deal with it"? Or would you have prefered they listen, like they did?
No but I wouldn't be calling them valiant heroes who did the right thing either.

If you had asked someone to not touch something and then they decided "screw you I'm going to pick it up and run around with it." You probably wouldn't be happy. If they put it back after you and everyone else yelled at them it wouldn't be forgiven because the original disrespect is still there.

To put it simply bad feelings don't go away simply because someone decided to take their hand out of the cookie jar after being caught.


 

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Except it's not a violation when you have the ability to chose. In this case, you could have chosen NOT to use their forums...
Have you paid attention to this thread at all? Blizzard directs technical support issues to their forums.


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Just as a footnote to this discussion, I am in the Starcraft 2 Beta, but I haven't ever downloaded the client (because I don't really feel like playing), so I tried to download it on a lark. Guess what Norton did:

That's right, Norton Internet Security, one of the leading antivirus and security software programs, thinks the Starcraft 2 beta client is malware.

Make of that what you will.
In this case, I make of it that anti-virus programs have a talent for false positives.

I ended up replacing my last AV because it kept trying to kill legitimate programs.

Let me tell you, internet, about how much false positives annoy the living hell out of me...!


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Have you paid attention to this thread at all? Blizzard directs technical support issues to their forums.
And yet in all the times I've played WoW, I never once bothered to use their forums. Plus, that would have been one of the legitimate concerns that I consider would have needed to be addressed.


 

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No but I wouldn't be calling them valiant heroes who did the right thing either.

If you had asked someone to not touch something and then they decided "screw you I'm going to pick it up and run around with it." You probably wouldn't be happy. If they put it back after you and everyone else yelled at them it wouldn't be forgiven because the original disrespect is still there.

To put it simply bad feelings don't go away simply because someone decided to take their hand out of the cookie jar after being caught.
I'm not calling them "Valiant Heroes". I'm saying that it's not fair to continue to bash them for actually listening to their playerbase, rather then just essentially telling them to [censored] off.


 

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Yep. I absolutely loved the Diablo series, and I think Starcraft was the best RTS ever made.

I still don't plan to ever buy another game from Blizzard. I no longer trust them as a company, and fully expect them to use customer information in whatever way possible to make money, with no care about our privacy.
I think this is all true.

But I'm going to wait and see. I don't trust them now (and I think it's funny that people are lecturing me as if I do trust them).


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Straight from the Blizzard "privacy policy"

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your personal information is also an asset of Blizzard
Yeah, they certainly deserve kudos


 

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I'm not calling them "Valiant Heroes". I'm saying that it's not fair to continue to bash them for actually listening to their playerbase, rather then just essentially telling them to [censored] off.
They are just putting on the back burner for now. They'll bring this back when the nerd rage is over.


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You have no backbone. Typical gaming nerd
Did you notice how what I wanted was them to not put real names on forum posts, and how I said several times that this was why I wasn't going to buy any future games from them? They've suggested that they're moving away from that, so I'm suggesting that maybe I'll end up buying Cataclysm.

I've been consistent in my stance. You, on the other hand, seem to think that it's pretty awesome to attack me if I say anything more positive than "Blizzard is made of Satan's disgusting bodily fluids."


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why?

they only changed course due to massive public backlash, and their mea culpa is full of enough half-***** lawyer speak to stop Clarence Darrow's corpse from spinning in its grave.

Not sure why we should congratulate them for stopping at the edge of the abyss- it was simple self preservation. And they're explicitly reserving the right to jump off the edge at some point in the future (presumably when the heat dies down), so, uh, yeah. Gratz?
This outcome was what people wanted when they protested Blizzard. I still think a lot of people don't trust them because they were willing to impose this change, and won't trust them for a long time*.

* Right now this includes me.


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And yet in all the times I've played WoW, I never once bothered to use their forums.
Neither have I, but you are so focused on the whole forum thing that you are willfully ignoring the fact that they have a blatant disregard for customer privacy.


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Except you would have STILL had controll over your name and identity, BY NOT POSTING ON THEIR FORUMS. Keep in mind, forums are no way essential to a game. Look at CoH/V: It's widely been known that only around 1% of the playerbase is active on the forums.
Did you see where they said this was just the first step to a glorious RealID revolution?


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This outcome was what people wanted when they protested Blizzard. I still think a lot of people don't trust them because they were willing to impose this change, and won't trust them for a long time*.

* Right now this includes me.
Not me. I wanted to see Blizzard plunge into the Abyss, arms akimbo, flailing as their reeking corpse vanishes into the flatulent haze of their arrogance*.

* This might just be me.


 

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Did you notice how what I wanted was them to not put real names on forum posts, and how I said several times that this was why I wasn't going to buy any future games from them? They've suggested that they're moving away from that, so I'm suggesting that maybe I'll end up buying Cataclysm.

I've been consistent in my stance. You, on the other hand, seem to think that it's pretty awesome to attack me if I say anything more positive than "Blizzard is made of Satan's disgusting bodily fluids."
Fool you once, shame on Blizzard. Fool you twice, shame on you.

I'm not giving them another chance to fool me again.


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Sooo... If they go through with this, then they are a horrible company for not listening to their playerbase and instituting a change that nobody likes.

If they don't, then they are a horrible company for "caving to their playerbase".

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
No. The minute the resolution to go forward with this idiocy was made was the point at which they were pretty much damned. Period.

The fact that it was considered A Good Thing, and wasn't shouted down, internally (or mitigated in any way), LONG before ever hitting the public with the equivalent of "like it or lump it" shows just how completely out of touch they were. And having been barely bright enough to about-face when the opposition hits you where you live is not something worthy of a reward.

They've already proven that they're perfectly capable of hitting MACH1 on the slippery slope.

Placing one's trust in them afterward goes beyond the realm of naivete and delves into the nether reaches of idiocy and carelessness.

In short, why continue to put your trust in an entity that's already shown that it's incapable of being trustworthy unless its ongoing existence is threatened?



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You can't honestly compare Blizzard wanting people to use their real names on a forum to robbing a bank.
No. It's worse. Misappropriation and misuse of your personal information can have far worse effects than simply losing you a little money.



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I think some guy over there made a major boneheaded decision and I serously doubt they'll repeat it.
The acronym you're looking for is CLM.

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