Build Critique: Fire/Fire/Mace - Permadom - Permahasten
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Deus_Otiosus,
Posted on: 2010-06-12 11:22 in Dominators
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I expected at least 1 person to tell me I made a mistake somewhere. 
Why slot Incinerate with purples and not Blaze? Blaze has a higher base damage and will get a bigger increase from slotting it with purples than Incinerate.
Also, you can change up the slotting on Hot Feet to a different set to get a better end discount and not waste the purples on that power. You could even get more defense from changing this up.
I think you should definitely get rid of fire breath and get combustion. Slightly longer casting and recharge - but more foes will be affected and better DoT duration.
You may want to check and see if you really need Stamina in this build. I'm guessing you could get good enough to play without the need for it.
Lastily I assume you will probably want to put something in SS.
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Mostly for the extra bit of endurance from Decimation, but I have been considering if I want to make a change somewhere else and slotting Apoc in Blaze.|
Originally Posted by Iguanadon
Why slot Incinerate with purples and not Blaze? Blaze has a higher base damage and will get a bigger increase from slotting it with purples than Incinerate.
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Originally Posted by Iguanadon
Also, you can change up the slotting on Hot Feet to a different set to get a better end discount and not waste the purples on that power. You could even get more defense from changing this up.
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Originally Posted by Iguanadon
I think you should definitely get rid of fire breath and get combustion. Slightly longer casting and recharge - but more foes will be affected and better DoT duration.
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Originally Posted by Iguanadon
You may want to check and see if you really need Stamina in this build. I'm guessing you could get good enough to play without the need for it.
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Originally Posted by Iguanadon
Lastily I assume you will probably want to put something in SS.
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Thanks for the reply.
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I'm not sure either, but its possible that there could be a way to make it work... since this is strictly an end refill, not a recovery boost it'd play a bit different than DP... but it would be great if you could get it to work out.
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I'm not so sure that would work, the endurance consumption of the build is pretty intense overall. Once I have permadom and consumption on higher recharges on live, I could give this a thought though. Thanks for the reply. |
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This is my proposed build, permadom, perma haste, cap to s/l (with cj going), money not meaning a thing
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Here is what I'm shooting for on mine to compare if you'd like.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.707
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Daemon Doug: Level 50 Natural Dominator
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Assault
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Char -- UbrkCons-Hold(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(3), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(3), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(5), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(5)
Level 1: Flares -- Acc-I(A), Dev'n-Hold%(25)
Level 2: Fire Cages -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(7), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(7), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(9), GravAnch-Hold%(9)
Level 4: Incinerate -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), Acc-I(50)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 8: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 10: Fire Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(17), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19)
Level 12: Flashfire -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(19), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(21), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(21), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(23), Rope-Acc/EndRdx(50)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 16: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23), EndRdx-I(25)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(27), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(27)
Level 22: Kick -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(29), KntkC'bat-Knock%(31)
Level 24: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 26: Weave -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(33), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(33), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), RedFtn-EndRdx(34)
Level 28: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(A), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(34), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(36)
Level 30: Combustion -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(39)
Level 32: Fire Imps -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(39), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(39), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 35: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 38: Blaze -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(42), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- RedFtn-Def(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(43), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(43), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFtn-EndRdx(45), LkGmblr-Rchg+(45)
Level 44: Hot Feet -- M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), Sciroc-Dam%(46), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Armgdn-Dam%(48)
Level 47: Cinders -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(48), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(48), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(50)
Level 49: Personal Force Field -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(31), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(31), KntkC'bat-Knock%(33)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 6: Ninja Run
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Don't I know you???
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Originally Posted by Hazygreys
This is my proposed build, permadom, perma haste, cap to s/l (with cj going), money not meaning a thing
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Originally Posted by dougnukem
Here is what I'm shooting for on mine to compare if you'd like.
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Thanks to both of you, I appreciate it. I'll give the builds a look when I'm home and have access to mids.
Now I know this is borderline heretical, but I'm on the fence about the Fire Imps.
Solo, or small teams - they're great.
But on a fast paced TF, I find they die too easily and are rarely alive.
I don't have the slots to reduce their End cost further, nor would I be willing to steal slots from elsewhere - so casting them right before rushing into combat is a sizeable chunk of end gone.
What would I grab instead? Good question. Mace Mastery's TAoE for Doms is not compatible with my playstyle.
Does anyone have numbers on the damage that Fire Imps put out? (when they are actually alive of course.)
I know they're great for Fire/Kin Controllers, and are good to have in general - but an alternative option might be nice.
I'd keep them regardless. Its extra aggro and damage anytime. If they die, I resummon when I get around to it, but I don't fret about it. They still offer enough help on fast teams and whatnot, even if they do die often, imo.
Don't I know you???
All three imps together (95% enhancement) produce 71.57 dps. However they con as -1 so vs evens that is reduced to 90% so 71.57*.9 = 64.41dps before hit chance.
They of course benefit from -res like poison ray and other external damage buffs. They do fairly appreciable damage even for something as heavy hitting as a fire/fire dom.
If the toon is primarily used for fast ITF runs I wouldn't hesitate to drop them. For most other applications though they are pretty good.
If you drop anything I'd pick up Poisonous Ray, it's great against tougher targets like AV's. A -18.8% res debuff lets you put out some insane ST DPS.
[U][URL="http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=251594"][/URL][/U]
7.5% recharge for 4 slots is a good reason to keep the imps.
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Yeah that's basically what I've come to feel, without working out the numbers.|
Originally Posted by Frosticus
All three imps together (95% enhancement) produce 71.57 dps. However they con as -1 so vs evens that is reduced to 90% so 71.57*.9 = 64.41dps before hit chance.
They of course benefit from -res like poison ray and other external damage buffs. They do fairly appreciable damage even for something as heavy hitting as a fire/fire dom. If the toon is primarily used for fast ITF runs I wouldn't hesitate to drop them. For most other applications though they are pretty good. |
I will be doing primarily fast ITFs and LGTF runs.
So far, in those situations they attack random, separate, targets and generally get themselves killed. Making them less than useful even at the AV fights, because they simply don't focus their fire.
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Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer
If you drop anything I'd pick up Poisonous Ray, it's great against tougher targets like AV's. A -18.8% res debuff lets you put out some insane ST DPS.
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Originally Posted by Iguanadon
7.5% recharge for 4 slots is a good reason to keep the imps.
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Here's a second workup.
A bit less recovery (-0.24), but softcapped.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.704
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Assault
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(21), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(40), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(42)
Level 1: Flares -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(36), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37)
Level 2: Fire Cages -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg(A), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx(3), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(3), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob(9), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(25), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng(25)
Level 4: Incinerate -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Hectmb-Dam%(9)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 8: Hot Feet -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Armgdn-Dam%(34), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(34), EndRdx-I(36)
Level 10: Fire Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(11), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Super Speed -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Heal(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(17), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(17)
Level 18: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-End%(23)
Level 22: Cinders -- UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(A), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(23), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(46), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(46), UbrkCons-Dam%(48)
Level 24: Flashfire -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(43), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(45), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(45)
Level 26: Fire Breath -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(27), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Ragnrk-Knock%(29)
Level 28: Consume -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(31), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Oblit-%Dam(50)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(31)
Level 32: Fire Imps -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(37), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntkC'bat-Knock%(48)
Level 38: Blaze -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(39), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Apoc-Dam%(40), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(40)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(42)
Level 44: Personal Force Field -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(50), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 6: Ninja Run
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Here's a version without Cinders.
I think with Flashfire on 30s recharge or so, I could probably go without cinders and never notice.
Instead I picked up combustion for a bit more AoE.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.704
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Fire Control
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Assault
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(21), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(40), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(42)
Level 1: Flares -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(36), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37)
Level 2: Fire Cages -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg(A), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx(3), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(3), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob(9), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(25), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng(25)
Level 4: Incinerate -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), Hectmb-Dam%(9)
Level 6: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 8: Hot Feet -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(31), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), EndRdx-I(36)
Level 10: Fire Blast -- Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(11), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Super Speed -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Heal(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(17), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(17)
Level 18: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(19), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), P'Shift-End%(23)
Level 22: Combustion -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(46), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Armgdn-Dam%(48)
Level 24: Flashfire -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(43), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(45), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(45)
Level 26: Fire Breath -- Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(27), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(29), Ragnrk-Knock%(29)
Level 28: Consume -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(31), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Oblit-%Dam(50)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(31)
Level 32: Fire Imps -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 35: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(37), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(48), KntkC'bat-Knock%(48)
Level 38: Blaze -- Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(39), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Apoc-Dam%(40), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(40)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(42), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(42)
Level 44: Personal Force Field -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(50), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 6: Ninja Run
Code:
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So that's:
- 180% global recharge
- Perma-hasten
- Perma-domination
- Softcapped SM/L def
- Recovery 3.66 e/s
Overall, pretty pleased with how it looks.
Time to place some bids.
I'm looking for a critique of this build, with the following notes:
Thanks.
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