It's not my heros, but I will say that the new Dean McArthur arc villain side, when you capture Ajax, made me really unhappy as a player. My villains are happy to do it. I the player really respect Ajax for what he chose to do regarding Omega Team and screwing him over like that on his return is seriously not cool.
Also, it makes no sense. If he was in any way shape or form vulnerable to psionics, the rikti would have made him their bi$#& ten times over.
On the hero side, stories that I wonder about include the croatoa mission where you "analyze" ghosts (who are the victims of the Cabal) by obliterating them with a wand, or just punch them in the face. Plus, both the Tuatha and Fir Bolg have been pulled from the past, warped into monsters, and forced to slaughter each other. And instead of helping them, we punch them in the face over and over.
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But I openly walked in the front entrance, and the first thing they did was shoot at me - plus, I don't wear armor, and my head is uncovered, so they could hear me perfectly well - I was like "hi, I was wondering if I could bor..." and then they just opened fire - what was I supposed to do? |
Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
Don't play coy. It's way below you.
Regardless of the words, the intent is 'I need tech' and the solution is walking into a Crey warehouse. If you walk through Harlem in a KKK suit, it's true that people might not beat you bloody stupid, but I defy you to find a person of reasonable capacity who wouldn't expect a beating as a possible response. Likewise, you can enter a warehouse saying "Oh, I'm here to borrow something, and I'm going to ask nicely, first", but I know that if I caught you in my house under those exact same circumstances, I'd hit first and ask questions later. Especially since your cries for diplomacy are undermined by your suit of combat armor. |
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Given that the last dozen times you've shown up unannounced on Crey property ended in a giant brawl, it might have been good to call ahead first. Admittedly, Crey's response to trespassers is fairly extreme, but not beyond the pale for facilities where secret research is going on or where hazardous materials are stored. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But I openly walked in the front entrance, and the first thing they did was shoot at me - plus, I don't wear armor, and my head is uncovered, so they could hear me perfectly well - I was like "hi, I was wondering if I could bor..." and then they just opened fire - what was I supposed to do?
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After all, you know who else likes to waltz into Crey warehouses and "borrow" things (that they never give back or pay for)? Villains.
@SPTrashcan
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No, no, no, see, it's not what you're saying that's getting you into to trouble; it's that you are even there at all. Is their reaction extreme? Perhaps. Is it unjustified? No.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But I openly walked in the front entrance, and the first thing they did was shoot at me - plus, I don't wear armor, and my head is uncovered, so they could hear me perfectly well - I was like "hi, I was wondering if I could bor..." and then they just opened fire - what was I supposed to do?
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But there wasn't any reception area, so I had to let myself in - it's not my fault if there's no welcome desk where I can ask to speak to the manager of the facility about an important security issue that I nede his help with |
Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
No, no, no, see, it's not what you're saying that's getting you into to trouble; it's that you are even there at all. Is their reaction extreme? Perhaps. Is it unjustified? No.
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@Golden Girl
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It is if you're breaking into a warehouse.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But there wasn't any reception area, so I had to let myself in - it's not my fault if there's no welcome desk where I can ask to speak to the manager of the facility about an important security issue that I nede his help with
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I love running the Croatoa arcs, but at the same time they do make me feel bad for beating the heck out of all those Fir Bolg, Tuatha and Cabal. Especially since the pumpkins are so cute.
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Originally Posted by Kelenar
Don't forget beating up the groups in Croatoa, most of whom (except the Red Caps) are relatively innocent when you get down to it. The missions are mostly justified, but that doesn't stop you for beating them up for standing around in the forest.
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I didn't break in - I clicked on the door, and it opened |
Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
It is if you're breaking into a warehouse.
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@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I didn't break in - I clicked on the door, and it opened
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Seriously?
Seriously. We don't ever "break into" anything. Worst could be said is "illegal entry/trespassing".
Criminals are kind of dumb for not locking the doors...
Dec out.
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You misunderstand. I'm not questioning the door's locked status. I'm questioning GG's latest counter-argument.|
Originally Posted by Decorum
Seriously. We don't ever "break into" anything. Worst could be said is "illegal entry/trespassing".
Criminals are kind of dumb for not locking the doors... |
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"Seriously, the door was open? Huh."
So much as
"Seriously? You're going to play stupid instead of presenting a real argument? That's really the way you thought this one should play out?"
**shrugs** It's valid. Laws are all about technicality and details.
Dec out.
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Originally Posted by FunstuffofDoom
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Seriously? |
The mission doesn't say anything about breaking into the building, so saying we have to break in is reading too much into it
@Golden Girl
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On review, I must retract the opinion that a hero must act villainously in order to carry out Daedalus's mission. They can also just be astonishingly naive.
Or "naive", in the sense of "I'll give them a chance to comply with my unrealistic expectations, and then when they respond in the likely manner, I will feel justified in doing what I planned to do anyway." But then we're back to villainous.
We've drifted pretty far off the intended topic, though - for which I must take some blame. There have been some pretty good examples brought up: bopping Sally, the mess in Croatoa, marking a Malta operative for death. It's true that Terra is taken to a laboratory, purportedly to research a cure for her condition, but that project does not seem to be coming along particularly quickly. Notably, the same courtesy is not extended to poor Joe Boxer - whose brain is still alive and intact inside that Titan. Until you kill it, presumably, because it's never mentioned again. Never mind that the Revenant Hero Project and Eternal Nemesis amply demonstrate that disembodied brains can go on to lead rich fulfilling lives.
We can rebuild him. We have the technolog- whoops, never mind.
Another thought. Generally, heroes are assumed to have the option of nonlethally subduing enemies, then transporting them to the prison hospital. However, Warhulks and Tarantula Mistresses clearly have a living person embedded in them - and they explode, so thoroughly that they leave nothing behind but shrapnel. Well then. Arguably their fault for rampaging around with what is apparently a significant quantity of explosive material strapped to them, but still a bit grim...
Edited to add: Oh hey how did I overlook this one. Also from Crimson: provoke a gang war between the Knives of Artemis and the Carnival of Shadows. Even if you scrupulously stick to principle in your direct interactions with either group, I'm pretty sure the Knives don't take prisoners - and worse yet, the Carnival does. Congratulations, you've condemned any number of Carnies (who are not always volunteers - recall Madeleine Casey) to assassination, and any number of Knives to psychic enslavement and eventual consumption.
HEROES!
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Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Or there's that time that Daedalus needs some parts for his Time Shield Thingy. So he tells you to straight up steal them from a Crey warehouse. Now, Crey is by no means an innocent party, but theoretically they are entitled to protection under the rule of law from things like random breaking and entering. Also, they like money. You could, theoretically, buy things from them. But no! Off you go to beat up their security guards and steal their property.
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It's only valid in that it's both sound and true. It's also disingenuous and a bit insulting. But SpittingTrashcan is moving on, so perhaps we should, too.
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Originally Posted by Decorum
**shrugs** It's valid. Laws are all about technicality and details.
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Well, yeah, it is GG. Her stubborn gene trumps her logic gene every time. |
FunstuffofDoom notes: It's only valid in that it's both sound and true. It's also disingenuous and a bit insulting. But SpittingTrashcan is moving on, so perhaps we should, too. |
Dec out.
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I can just see the consternation that would arise if the devs gave out a Kronos Titan costume code... |
Originally Posted by M_I_Abrahms
That bit with Joe the Titan, would that count?
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Regardless of the words, the intent is 'I need tech' and the solution is walking into a Crey warehouse. If you walk through Harlem in a KKK suit, it's true that people might not beat you bloody stupid, but I defy you to find a person of reasonable capacity who wouldn't expect a beating as a possible response.
Likewise, you can enter a warehouse saying "Oh, I'm here to borrow something, and I'm going to ask nicely, first", but I know that if I caught you in my house under those exact same circumstances, I'd hit first and ask questions later. Especially since your cries for diplomacy are undermined by your suit of combat armor.