EPIC @20 is just stupid
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Posted on: 2010-06-01 10:59 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
As mentioned - it's been said in the past that using 50 as an unlock was a mistake by the developers. (As in the developers said that, not that others accuse them of having made a mistake.) VEATs got put at 50 solely for the sake of "parity."
I got my first one "the hard way" in I4. This doesn't bother me at all to have this lowered. It affects my enjoyment not one whit.
As far as bad players? Well, they have to learn. I've seen bad players with 3+ years worth of badges (like the useless leech of a "healer" we had in a Synapse TF. Level 50 and my lowbie, no-SOs-yet Dark/Dark was far more active.) They can either improve or go on the "do not team again" list.
And as far as the quants/voids/cysts someone else brought up, they're harmless. They've been nerfed in the past. Anyone afraid of inviting a Kheld to the team because of them gets derisive laughter in return. I happen to *like* having specialized enemies show up *just for me.* No blaster gets a special anti-blaster enemy called out just for them. Tankers don't have to worry about an anti-tanker. It's good to be noticed.
Lol@people being bad in PvE.
Some people just don't have the hang for a certain AT. For some reason i am really bad with Brutes and Corruptors, yet I like playing scrappers, defenders and blasters.
Yes there may be more new players playing a more "difficult" AT, and being bad at it. BUT that means there are more new players! Which i think is a good thing. They still need to learn to play this game, give them a chance. Give advice etc. so that they can become good new players. We all made mistakes when we started out and I do have bad days myself. None of us are perfect.
For me i am glad there are still new players coming to my favourite MMO!
Boy, am I stupid. I didn't realize I could log on really quick, find some exploit-AE Big Red team and have a Crab by 4 p.m.
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... Seriously, why does it bother you that an aspect of the game is more widely available? What does it hurt? Do you just feel butthurt because you're not one of the Big Kids anymore? Really?
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
Boy, am I stupid. I didn't realize I could log on really quick, find some exploit-AE Big Red team and have a Crab by 4 p.m.
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Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
I haven't found the EATs all that appealing to play.
Besides, as someone said earlier, getting to 50 isn't all that difficult nowadays. To get from 20 to 50 would take, what, three weeks of casual play?
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
... Seriously, why does it bother you that an aspect of the game is more widely available? What does it hurt? Do you just feel butthurt because you're not one of the Big Kids anymore? Really?
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Lighten up, Francis.
I have WS and PB unlocked, but I don't play them as I just don't get them. I also don't play tanks or defenders. No big.
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Same here dude are way to many epics now then ever, however the reason why they can't Play will, is because they still into the AE farming and they don't always have the chance to Explore there Arctype out of AE. The Reason why the Derv did it like that, is because they couldn't ever get the Epic Arctypes to work the way they wanted, so i guess they want more people playing them so they can get more feed back for improving or who no's maybe they got plans for new Epics or they just might need more Ideas how to go by it or Something, I don't no man, I have no clue what go On in the Derv Heads since they Add the new Content form the last year and now.
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Originally Posted by Transcendent_One
First off, let me say that I understand there is a tie in between the lvl 20 for epic AT's and the GR expansion this summer.
However if the goal is to attract NEW blood to the game, the last thing I would think we want is to have a group of people who haven't even learned the intricacies of the first 5 AT's as well as the game play. So far over the past few weeks I have run into many epic AT low levels, and/or PL'd lvl 30/40+'s who have NO idea how to play their character, or how to team well. They alienate themselves due to not having any idea how to play. (not to mention giving epic AT's a bad name) TOO BAD that this system was placed, and too bad it can't be retro acted upon to go back to 50. GEEZ where is the 1st lvl 50 reward now???? |
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
Actually I was making a joke.
Lighten up, Francis. |
ETA: For the record, the phrase "Ad hominem" does not mean what you seem to think it means.
Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
ETA: For the record, the phrase "Ad hominem" does not mean what you seem to think it means.
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Three weeks? |
Originally Posted by Erin Go Braugh
I haven't found the EATs all that appealing to play.
Besides, as someone said earlier, getting to 50 isn't all that difficult nowadays. To get from 20 to 50 would take, what, three weeks of casual play? |
I dont think thats casual play.
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
There you go. Pulled out all the blatant crap for you.
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Originally Posted by Tramontane
Sorry, my magical detecting-sarcasm-on-the-internet powers are on the fritz today.
ETA: For the record, the phrase "Ad hominem" does not mean what you seem to think it means. |
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Originally Posted by Disappearing Girl
Three weeks?
I dont think thats casual play. |
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Eh, my last 50 was, IIRC, 150 hours (give or take.) I've been hearing 120-150 hours. Three work weeks to four work weeks of eight hour days (no, that's not how I leveled, just the equivalent.) |
Originally Posted by Postagulous
I'd say that would be at least six hours a day unless they're just doorsitters. Not casual. |
Given some of the farms and such that crop up, doorsitting could definitely do it. (And that's without the exploits that get closed off, where people were hitting 50 in less than a day.)
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Nooooooo, not six a day. I typically run a toon to fifty in a month or so and I don't powerlevel or play for more than 4 hours at any sitting (when I can play - which is not daily).|
Originally Posted by Postagulous
I'd say that would be at least six hours a day unless they're just doorsitters. Not casual.
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I don't solo though and almost always run teams of eight, mostly TFs.
Just this year alone I took a Fire/EM blaster, Elec/SD scrapper and Ill/Rad to 50 and topped them off with IO sets. That's in addition to starting a brute, another troller and an asortment of toons I've started and killed by L 20.
Maybe I miscalculated. I'll keep a count on my Dark/Dark Def, which I started recently. His creation day is the same day he joined the SG. He's level 27 and I think he was started about a week ago, but this last weekend I didn't play much at all. I don't think from 20 to 50 really takes as much time as folks think. Maybe with altitis it does.
Of course, it likely depends on what is considered "casual play."
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Id facepalm at this but..its so bad..its not yet been invented.
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That's lovely. Doesn't change the fact that what I did was not an ad hominem. An ad hominem would have been "Epic at 20 isn't stupid, you're stupid." My argument, while inflammatory, was a valid point- that just feeling special for making it to level 50 was a pretty weak reason for whining. Just phrasing it in an offensive way doesn't make it an ad hominem attack.
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
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Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
I've no issue with them lowering the requirement for the EATs. However, I would have made them unlock at L30. Why? First, a L20 doesn't even have access to SOs, is still trying to understand the whole slotting ordeal, and L20 is very tight on slots to begin with. The L20-30 range is also when most of the more utilitarian skills come into play and characters of all ATs start to round out, giving a first time player much more understanding of the game.
While I agree that a bad player will play any AT poorly, the EATs require a bit more understanding due to their unique slotting mechanics, something a L20 is still trying to balance out.
Besides, you already get Capes at 20.
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Wowsers.
Both my 50s were fun to play and I really am not sure how long they took.
Two others I like playing, or liked, both have kb issues which irritate others, or at least irritate me when I'm playing scrapper. RttC and suddenly no one around my makes for the lameness.
Just going by creation date and time on patrol my 50s are thus (in order of first 50 through latest)
Polar Peregrine: Archery/Ice Blaster - 2008-06-10 - 379 Hours
Sonnenblume: Fire/Dark Corruptor - 2007-06-29 - 494 Hours
Kilderon: Ice/Rad Controller - 2007-05-21 - 418 Hours
Stellar Jay: Plants/Energy Dominator - 304 Hours - 2007-06-29 (50 a week or 2 ago)
Twilight Dream: Warshade (Human/Squid) - 2009-02-04 - 321 Hours (50 a few days ago)
Most of those took much longer real time to actually get to 50 due to severe altitis and a few brief spurts of waning interest. Polar Peregrine was my fastest to 50; not powerleveled or anything, just a period where I had a lot of fun playing her. She went from Outbreak to Heroine of the City in about 6 months.
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this viewpoint is the ideal one. you got to 50 because you enjoyed playing the character, not to get a carrot.
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Originally Posted by Postagulous
Wowsers.
Both my 50s were fun to play and I really am not sure how long they took. Two others I like playing, or liked, both have kb issues which irritate others, or at least irritate me when I'm playing scrapper. RttC and suddenly no one around my makes for the lameness. |
Honestly, if they'd introduced Incarnates from the beginning, as some sort of "Epic AT" that allows you to progress your 50s beyond 50, and the other Epic ATs were unlocked through some special mission or something, I'm sure no one would have batted an eye. It would even make more sense that way.
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