One of the things I like about this game is the ability, albeit not as unlimited as I would prefer, to create a unique costume for my characters.
None of my 20 or so alts look anything like an existing character, fictional or otherwise.
Examples: I have an Empathy Defender I've costumed to look like a mutant bird of sorts named Chicken McHeals.
I also have a short, stumpy DM/SR scrapper I've named Deathstrike Darkly. He has a somewhat ninja costumed theme.
I'm not saying it's wrong to base your costume on established characters.
All I'm saying is I cannot understand the appeal.
Given what this game offers with respect to powers, you're not going to remake your favorite established characters as they appear in the source material.
Well, just to start with, there can be arguments about where some heroes fit in the Archetype system. Superman, for instance, seems to be on the line between a Tanker and Scrapper. It really depends on whether you consider Invincibility on a Scrapper not really standing up to what Superman can do, or whether you consider him pulling his punches with Super Strength so he's more like a Tanker. You might also see arguments for Willpower instead of Invulnerability, or that Rage doesn't really fit his concept.
Spiderman also pretty much can't be created. He would be a Scrapper with Super Reflexes, but his ability to snare and control foes is something Scrappers can't do. Ninjitsu would kind of give those kinds of abilities (and Web Grenade from the Epic Pool) but while I would like to see more Power Sets with those options, right now it's kind of not an Archetype. A Dominator isn't quite right either.
I may go ahead and post some of my ideas, though, if I get the chance. I personally don't think a known superhero would have one exact build that you would HAVE to use for it, but there could be suggestions you could make for possibilties. And you could then tweak those suggestions into a more specific concept for a character that's more original. Like my Blue Diamond, for instance, he's an Inv/SS Tanker, and a lot like Superman in concept, but he's got a temper like The Thing, and taunts a lot like Spiderman. So Rage is in concept for him, and Gauntlet and Taunt are really in concept for him too.
I'm with milehigh on this one. I've never seen the appeal to creating someone else's character.
That said, here's a few off the top of my head.
Hulk: SS/inv brute
Captain America: MA/SD scrapper
Batman: Eh.... MA/SR stalker
Wolverine: Claws/regen scrapper
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I used to disagree with that, but since the Stalker changes not so much any more. Come on, though, he's certainly Ninjitsu. No batarangs, but blinding powder and smoke bombs sound like gadgets he would use. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Batman: Eh.... MA/SR stalker
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He's side switched, though, and his "assassination" is just a knockout blow. And he doesn't rely on it as much as other Stalkers might. (More he uses it for the fear and debuff effect. But MAN does he use it for the fear and debuff effect
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Yeah, you're right. He's the one I was iffy on anyway.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Come on, though, he's certainly Ninjitsu. No batarangs, but blinding powder and smoke bombs sound like gadgets he would use.
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Stalker I was sure of. /SR I wasn't.
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I think Willpower would work better for him than Super Reflexes.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Yeah, you're right. He's the one I was iffy on anyway.
Stalker I was sure of. /SR I wasn't. |
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For me it's not about creating them to play in game. But more of stating them out to see how people would view them and if it is plausible. I've always loved stating things out in every game I've plated. It be table top or mmo's.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'm with milehigh on this one. I've never seen the appeal to creating someone else's character.
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I dunno, Bats is very Ninja...|
Originally Posted by Andferne
I think Willpower would work better for him than Super Reflexes.
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I've made several characters based on comic heroes, but some just can't be done. I mean, Superman, Batman, Hulk and so on are pretty straightforward, but even then there are limits (such as Batman's vehicles and detective skills or Wolverine's senses). Others are darn near impossible (Iron Man leaps to mind...).
Basically, you can get heroes that bear a passing resemblance but they're never quite right.
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Thor is also a pretty easy one. Iron Man I would think be a Energy Blaster.|
Originally Posted by Ultimo_
I've made several characters based on comic heroes, but some just can't be done. I mean, Superman, Batman, Hulk and so on are pretty straightforward, but even then there are limits (such as Batman's vehicles and detective skills or Wolverine's senses). Others are darn near impossible (Iron Man leaps to mind...).
Basically, you can get heroes that bear a passing resemblance but they're never quite right. |
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
I dunno, Bats is very Ninja...
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Just because it is in the powerset, doesn't mean he has to take it.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Well, just to start with, there can be arguments about where some heroes fit in the Archetype system. Superman, for instance, seems to be on the line between a Tanker and Scrapper. It really depends on whether you consider Invincibility on a Scrapper not really standing up to what Superman can do, or whether you consider him pulling his punches with Super Strength so he's more like a Tanker. You might also see arguments for Willpower instead of Invulnerability, or that Rage doesn't really fit his concept.
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You could do Batman as Dark Melee, using just the punches and Touch of Fear.
Not the most effective use of a powerset, since you're skipping Siphon Life and Midnight Grasp in order to do so.
..and the Shadow maul animation isn't the most appropriate...
You know what? Stick with Martial Arts since the alternate animations were added. I thjink this was my idea from before then, on how to do Batman without all the high-kicking. 
Slightly on topic, I would love to see an alternate animation for Scrapper/Tanker Energy Torrent that looked like super-breath.
I'd tag Iron Man as a Force Field/Energy Defender with the Fighting Pool. You need a few inventions to really make it work, and they can be expensive, but this is Tony Stark I'm talking about.
Oh, and Wolverine's senses can be done using Tactics. That adds +Perception, enough to see through a Night Widow smoke grenade.
I recently came up with a decent bit for the Teen Titans (Toon-verse, not Comics-verse. My geek-fu is weak, sue me.) It worked pretty well at first:
Robin: Natural Martial Arts/Super Reflexes Scrapper
Raven: Magic Dark Miasma/Dark Blast Defender
Cyborg: Technology Sonic Blast/Devices Blaster
Starfire: Science Energy Melee/Invulnerability Tanker
Beast Boy: ...Dammit, CoH!
Ice/Ice Blaster. Dedication to concept is an ugly thing.
Claws/WP Brute. Sex without the angst.
Every CoX character lies somewhere on this spectrum.
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Thor actually works pretty well as a Brute, Mace/EA.|
Originally Posted by Andferne
Thor is also a pretty easy one. Iron Man I would think be a Energy Blaster.
Martial Arts/Ninjitsu Stalker could work pretty well. I think Ninjitsu or Willpower would be better suited than Super Reflexes. |
Iron Man as a Blaster is just too squishy. My Iron Man homage ended up as a FF/Nrg Defender. He's decent, but still doesn't "feel" quite right.
My Batman homage is a Stalker, MA/Nin. Works pretty well, but he doesn't feel much like Batman since he lacks so much of the stuff that makes Batman BATMAN, like interrogating foes, escaping traps, solving mysteries, the vehicles, etc.
We could debate all day, though, we all have different ideas on this.
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Nice catch, that would work well.
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Originally Posted by DrMike2000
Oh, and Wolverine's senses can be done using Tactics. That adds +Perception, enough to see through a Night Widow smoke grenade.
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Daredevil - MA/SR Scrapper
Elektra - DB/Dark Scrapper
Black Widow - DP/Elec or DP/Dev Blaster
Punisher - AR/Dev Blaster
Doc Samson - Inv/SS Tanker
Abomination - SS/Inv Brute
Wolverine - MA/Regen Scrapper
Typhoid Mary - Fire/Psi Dominator
Emma Frost - Psi/Psi Blaster with Body Armor EPP for the Diamond skin (yeah, it's a stretch - could just ignore the Diamond skin)
Jean Grey - Mind Controller
Magneto - Grav/Psi Dominator
Dr. Doom - Bots/FF MM
Nick Fury - Mercs MM
Kingpin - Thugs MM
Stick - Ninja MM
Ice Man - Ice/Ice Blaster
Banshee - Sonic/Psi Blaster
Storm - Storm/Elec Defender
Mephisto - Demon Summoning MM
Black Tom - Plant Controller or Plant Dom
Hawkeye - Archery/TA Corruptor (or Archery Blaster for the non-sucky version)
Sabretooth - Claws/Regen Stalker
Marrow - Spines Scrapper
Moon Knight - ??? Stalker maybe?
Dr. Strange - ??? DS MM? can't really be done
Deadpool - Can't really be done
Rogue - Can't really be done
Taskmaster - Can't really be done
Nightcrawler - Can't really be done
Quicksilver - Can't really be done. Or rather, can be done with one power pool and 3 powers total (Hasten, Flurry, Superspeed).
Iron Man - Can't really be done IMO. NRG/NRG Blaster, or Doc Mike's Defender version I guess. Although a squishy Iron Man makes my eyebrows twitch, as does an Iron Man with visible force fields and gimpy blasts.
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This is one of the reasons I keep hoping for a more open AT to one day be created that can maintain balance.|
Originally Posted by ForumSniper
Daredevil - MA/SR Scrapper
Elektra - DB/Dark Scrapper Black Widow - DP/Elec or DP/Dev Blaster Punisher - AR/Dev Blaster Doc Samson - Inv/SS Tanker Abomination - SS/Inv Brute Wolverine - MA/Regen Scrapper Typhoid Mary - Fire/Psi Dominator Emma Frost - Psi/Psi Blaster with Body Armor EPP for the Diamond skin (yeah, it's a stretch - could just ignore the Diamond skin) Jean Grey - Mind Controller Magneto - Grav/Psi Dominator Dr. Doom - Bots/FF MM Nick Fury - Mercs MM Kingpin - Thugs MM Stick - Ninja MM Ice Man - Ice/Ice Blaster Banshee - Sonic/Psi Blaster Storm - Storm/Elec Defender Mephisto - Demon Summoning MM Black Tom - Plant Controller or Plant Dom Hawkeye - Archery/TA Corruptor (or Archery Blaster for the non-sucky version) Sabretooth - Claws/Regen Stalker Marrow - Spines Scrapper Moon Knight - ??? Stalker maybe? Dr. Strange - ??? DS MM? can't really be done Deadpool - Can't really be done Rogue - Can't really be done Taskmaster - Can't really be done Nightcrawler - Can't really be done Quicksilver - Can't really be done. Or rather, can be done with one power pool and 3 powers total (Hasten, Flurry, Superspeed). Iron Man - Can't really be done IMO. NRG/NRG Blaster, or Doc Mike's Defender version I guess. Although a squishy Iron Man makes my eyebrows twitch, as does an Iron Man with visible force fields and gimpy blasts. |
For Emma Frost...Psi/Psi/Ice Blaster. RP Ice as diamond.
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Looks like Venom was a SS/DA Brute, Carnage was a Spines/Regen Stalker.
Yeah, I didn't do a very good job with those, did I. In hindsight, I guess Venom would be /Willpower, and Carnage maybe Claws/Regen. (Problem is, the Stalker ability to Hide is something that Venom used more than Carnage.)
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Originally Posted by ForumSniper
Wolverine - MA/Regen Scrapper |
Wolverine is a CLAWS/REGEN scrapper. He is pretty much the reason those powersets exist in the first place. The default claws are almost identical to his.
You could make a good case for him being Claws/Willpower though, since his regeneration is completely passive.
Actually, he IS a Claws/Willpower scrapper, if you look at what the powers actually do.
Heightened Senses? Check, he actually has that EXACT power.
Mind Over Body? Smashing, Lethal and Psionic resistance. His adamantium bones give him the physical resistances, and the fact that his brain has been fried over the years gives him some resistance to psionic attacks.
Fast Healing? Duh.
Rise to the Challenge? His ferocity in combat would contribute to an accuracy debuff, and the adrenaline boost he gets does tend to speed his healing up a little.
Come to think of it, Wolverine may be a side switched brute. After all, he originally was a villain character introduced in an issue of the Hulk. And the Fury mechanic works perfectly for him.
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Sabretooth is a Claws/WP BRUTE.
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| Deadpool - Can't really be done |
Yes, he uses guns as well, but when he's really getting down and dirty he pulls the swords out. And the Regen powerset actually makes more sense for him than for Wolverine, as he can heal himself at will.
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| Rogue - Can't really be done |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
What the **** are you smoking dude?
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Was thinking claws, typed MA. Typo-slash-brainfart. My Wolvie is claws/regen though.
Made Sabes a stalker because I didn't have one, and he's sort of stalker-ish in the Weapon X stuff I read recently. Brute works. Scrapper works. WP works instead of regen. *shrug*
As for Deadpool, Tasky, Rogue, and Nightcrawler... your suggestions don't do it for me. The game just doesn't support their schticks. I don't see much point in making them if you can't model, at least to some degree, their primary abilities. To each his own though - if you want to make them, go for it.
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Originally Posted by ForumSniper
Only the finest green, m'man.
Was thinking claws, typed MA. Typo-slash-brainfart. My Wolvie is claws/regen though. Made Sabes a stalker because I didn't have one, and he's sort of stalker-ish in the Weapon X stuff I read recently. Brute works. Scrapper works. WP works instead of regen. *shrug* As for Deadpool, Tasky, Rogue, and Nightcrawler... your suggestions don't do it for me. The game just doesn't support their schticks. I don't see much point in making them if you can't model, at least to some degree, their primary abilities. To each his own though - if you want to make them, go for it. |
My reasoning for Deadpool is that the pair of katanas are his signature weapon, and he seems to view his guns as disposable. And while he CAN dodge attacks, he doesn't seem to go to much effort to do so, instead letting them hit him and healing it back. The teleport mechanic actually works for him, because he uses a device to do it rather than it being an inherent ability. He can't teleport instantly like Nightcrawler can.
Every time I've seen Taskmaster lately (notably in the Siege storyline) he has been using a sword and a shield, so that's my reasoning for him.
I suppose Rogue could be a side switched SS/Invuln brute as well. But again coming back to the fact that the game is pretty much all combat I figured Invuln/SS or SS/Invuln because more often than not she'll just punch them rather than use her mutant power, since she doesn't really like having all those memories in her head if there isn't a good reason for doing it. If you really WANTED to, I suppose you could use pool powers and Epic pools to represent any powers she may have absorbed lately.
Nightcrawler DOES use sabres, and he is exceptionally agile. The teleport mechanic in CoH is way too clunky to use it in combat like he does, but otherwise he pretty much IS a DB/SR scrapper. Unless you feel he needs to use a prehensile tail in combat that would describe his combat style pretty well.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Well, the game is primarily combat oriented.
My reasoning for Deadpool is that the pair of katanas are his signature weapon, and he seems to view his guns as disposable. And while he CAN dodge attacks, he doesn't seem to go to much effort to do so, instead letting them hit him and healing it back. The teleport mechanic actually works for him, because he uses a device to do it rather than it being an inherent ability. He can't teleport instantly like Nightcrawler can. Every time I've seen Taskmaster lately (notably in the Siege storyline) he has been using a sword and a shield, so that's my reasoning for him. I suppose Rogue could be a side switched SS/Invuln brute as well. But again coming back to the fact that the game is pretty much all combat I figured Invuln/SS or SS/Invuln because more often than not she'll just punch them rather than use her mutant power, since she doesn't really like having all those memories in her head if there isn't a good reason for doing it. If you really WANTED to, I suppose you could use pool powers and Epic pools to represent any powers she may have absorbed lately. Nightcrawler DOES use sabres, and he is exceptionally agile. The teleport mechanic in CoH is way too clunky to use it in combat like he does, but otherwise he pretty much IS a DB/SR scrapper. Unless you feel he needs to use a prehensile tail in combat that would describe his combat style pretty well. |
I guess it's just a personal thing.
Deadpool, to me, kinda falls in the Iron Man category. You can model half of his abilities with one AT, or the other half with a different AT. But you can't get it all in one place. If I play Deadpool I want to switch between guns and swords, ranged and melee, with equal efficiency in both. Plus the regen. Leaving out the guns just feels like I'm leaving out too much.
Still, I do see your point and I don't have a katana-wielder yet so I may take your advice after all. I really want that melee + ranged playstyle, but I guess I should reconcile myself with the fact that CoX just doesn't offer it.
Rogue I really don't like anyway. I started to really despise her the day she became a 'tank'. The only really interesting thing about her is her ability to steal powers. SS/Inv or Inv/SS characters are a dime a dozen in the MU - you can't spit without hitting one. Why make a half-a$$ed SS/Inv Rogue when you could just make Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Doc Samson, or a bajillion other characters that *just* have SS/Inv and would be modelled accurately with the set?
Nightcrawler, to me, is all about BAMFing around during combat. That's his thang. Just running around with dual blades wouldn't feel enough like Nightcrawler to me. He's a one-trick pony, despite later writers' attempts to increase his versatility.
Tasky's schtick is to be able to copy the fighting style of anyone he sees or fights, which obviously isn't happening in CoX. Getting past that though, I can see how BS/Shield would work. Plus, I don't have a broadsword-wielder.
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Originally Posted by ForumSniper
Deadpool, to me, kinda falls in the Iron Man category. You can model half of his abilities with one AT, or the other half with a different AT. But you can't get it all in one place. If I play Deadpool I want to switch between guns and swords, ranged and melee, with equal efficiency in both. Plus the regen. Leaving out the guns just feels like I'm leaving out too much.
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Curiosity got the better of me and wanted to see how people would stat up their favorite (or well known) Super Heroes/Villains. We did a thread similar to this in the SWG mmo where we created builds that fit the known Jedi/Sith from the movies etc. Thought it might be cool to see some builds of well known people in Comic/Movies/Myths.
I've seen builds for Superman, Captain America, Hulk, etc.