Having taken both to 50, I feel PBs are definitely easier early on, especially on a team because of the nature of their inherent. WSs really start to shine in the mid to late game, when they have more slots available and get pets and the almighty Eclipse.
IOs are your friend here. Finding powers that don't need heavy slotting is also beneficial. That's the main reason my WS took the fitness pool, because you don't really need to slot any of those powers.
Hasten is also really valuable, as it carries over to form powers, meaning that you don't feel as much need to slot them for recharge, which can save slots.
But yeah, the WS is just much more fun to me. Nova with capped resists and a fully fueled mire is just sick.
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Additionally, if there is any thought of PvP in your future, PB's are a much better choice in the current PvP 2.0 implementation (again, imho).
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
PvE - WS
PvP/Arena - PB |
PvE/PvP/Arena: PB
PvE: WS
Of course, I'm kinda partial to PB's - that whole "siphoning corpses" necro thing
that WS's do is a bit gruesome, and offputting to me...
Not to say it isn't powerful, or even fun for some folks, but I'll stick with PB's
myself (my highest WS, after several attempts to like them, is only in the mid 20's).
Cheers,
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Purple > White |
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
I'd say:
PvE/PvP/Arena: PB PvE: WS Of course, I'm kinda partial to PB's - that whole "siphoning corpses" necro thing that WS's do is a bit gruesome, and offputting to me... Not to say it isn't powerful, or even fun for some folks, but I'll stick with PB's myself (my highest WS, after several attempts to like them, is only in the mid 20's). Cheers, 4 |
And soul sucking is awesome. That's why it is so popular with ex-girlfriends and how they eat a Reese's.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I agree with this - If I could switch the color scheme of my PB's, I'd do it in |
Purple > White
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a heart-beat...
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and prefer to keep it *out* of my leisure-time gaming experience...
Cheers,
4
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Agree with you per the usual. It's just that I've seen some WSs steamroll through ITFs etc, but as much as I love my PB, I can't remember the last time I've steamrolled through a TF with minimum support. On the same token, I've never seen a very effective WS build for PvP but PBs tend to be winners all day if made correctly.
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
I'd say:
PvE/PvP/Arena: PB PvE: WS Of course, I'm kinda partial to PB's - that whole "siphoning corpses" necro thing that WS's do is a bit gruesome, and offputting to me... Not to say it isn't powerful, or even fun for some folks, but I'll stick with PB's myself (my highest WS, after several attempts to like them, is only in the mid 20's). Cheers, 4 |
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I agree, but I like my PB in zone PvP since we get buffs for each member on the team.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
PvE - WS
PvP/Arena - PB |
Proton Sentry Peacebringer:lvl 50+++ - Human Build / Triform Build
Quasar Sentry Warshade:lvl 50+- Human Build / Triform Build
Red Katipo Arachnos Soldier:lvl 50+++ - Crab Build / Bane Build
Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build
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This.
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Originally Posted by Madam_Enigma
I honestly can't stand playing my peacebringer. My warshade though... Oh my gawd I love that char.
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Open the pod bay doors, Hal.
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This, so much this....|
Originally Posted by Kitty_Eater
Because unlike Peacebringers, Warshades offer a whole new play experience unlike any other Archetype. Sure, some of thier powers are based on certain Dark X powers but many of them are quite unique or have an extra something added rather than the Copy+Paste list Peacebringers have.
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When I was lvl'ing my Warshade up he was a blast to play. He too, was mainly an all human WS. I did get him the Dwarf form just in case I needed to 'tank' things for random pugs/etc....plus I like the look of the Dwarf form in general
I love the 'utility' powers like Unchain Essence (what I like to call the "EBB" Explodey-Body-Boom power
).Get your WS in a nice 4-8 man team and go to town! Even better with a good Kin giving you SB and/or other Controllers/Defenders giving you buffs so that powers like Unchain Essence/the heal (forgot name)/Eclipse comes up faster.
When lvl'ing my PB up (after I got my WS to 50) I was thinking along the same lines...all human. Wow....soo...painful...seriously I was so close to deleting the PB (even when he was in his 40s which I have never deleted a char. after it gets past like lvl 20)....but I wanted one of each AT at 50 so....I kept trying to get into TFs/groups that could help him level up. Finally I got him to 50....don't plan on playing him at all....(unless for some reason there's a need to).
As others have said, or if they didn't (only read first page), it seems PBs rely on form switching a lot more than the WS do. If I were to do another PB again, I'd go one way or the other in regards to power selection. I'd either take all the ranged attacks and no melee attacks or vice-versa. When I was lvl'ing my PB I had 2 out of the first 3 ranged attacks (didn't have the eye beam attack) and then the 2 punch/total focus attacks and the foot stomp power. So not only was I going back and forth from melee to ranged attacks everything seemed to get KB'ed around (duh) and that just made it more annoying for me.
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It's the knockback that is more common in PB powers than in WS ones.
Every problem - ever, no exceptions in the history of the world since Aristotle invented MMOs - comes down to knockback.
It's the steam-roll effect. Mire to buff damage, to defeat enemies quicker, so you have bodies for pets and stygian circle, so you have endurance to mire, to defeat enemies...etc etc etc. People LOVE this. A good team does it, the WS can do regardless of a team. Kinectics probably gets the same glowy reccomendation (fulcrum shift, speed boost, etc). As good as PBs are (I have 3 of em!), they don't steam-roll like a WS. Simple.
If you like teams then WS is the way to go. It has nice AoE/PBAoE powers that help in a team enviroment. If you like to solo then a PB is way better because of all the self buffs that will keep you alive longer and better single target attacks.
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Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
If you like teams then WS is the way to go. It has nice AoE/PBAoE powers that help in a team enviroment. If you like to solo then a PB is way better because of all the self buffs that will keep you alive longer and better single target attacks.
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Seriously, after I got eclipse, adding extra enemies made the game easier.
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I hear all this "Warshades are better" nonsense and I can only think of one thing...
Y'all are sissies!
I jizz lightbulbs and then I hurt things. I need little more than that. Multi-million inf builds? Are you the same people that want more foam padding on playgrounds? RUB SOME DIRT IN IT. Back in my day we went jello wrestling just to frankenslot.
It wasn't even flavored jello...
Go be purple and emo somewhere else, ya Nancies.
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I'd have to agree with this. I've taken both a PB and a WS to 50 (both tri-form) and I love them both for different reasons, but for me the lower levels were definitely easier on the PB due to my tendency at the time to solo a lot. At 50 I'd have to say that I'm finding the WS more fun to play on big teams with the diff cranked up and piles of critters to plough through. The PB now tends to be my tried-and-true TF/badge toon, still great when exemped down to any level.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Here's a counterpoint - for a first Kheld, I'll tell people to consider the PB for the simple reason that all buffs, heals, etc. are completely self contained. You always know what you'll end up getting, your heal will always work for the same amount at the same level/slotting, your build up will work even if nobody's around, etc, etc.
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Omicron Zim - lvl 50 Emp/Psi/Power Defender, Scrappy Joe - lvl 50 MA/SR Scrapper
If a WS and PB walk into a last man standing arena match ....Who will walk out a winner if they both are at the same lvl of pvp experience?
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PB, hands down.
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Originally Posted by Mod_Noc
If a WS and PB walk into a last man standing arena match ....Who will walk out a winner if they both are at the same lvl of pvp experience?
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I agree that the PB will win over the WS in a PvP match.
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Quasar Sentry Warshade:lvl 50+- Human Build / Triform Build
Red Katipo Arachnos Soldier:lvl 50+++ - Crab Build / Bane Build
Black Katipo Arachnos Widowlvl 50+++ - Fortunata Build / Night Widow Build
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Same but since I play the rest of the game not that I am going to stick with my Warshades. Getting my PB to 50 was just painful compared to my shade.
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Originally Posted by Big_Soto
I agree that the PB will win over the WS in a PvP match.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I do have to say they the best ITF I have ever done was an Epic AT ITF and we had the following:
1. WS (Human Form)
2. WS (Tri Form)
3. PB (Human Form)
4. PB (Tri Form)
5. Bane (Huntsman Build)
6. Crab (Pet Build)
7. Fortunata
8. Widow
We destroyed everything in our path and didnt even do any short cuts and still got done in 1hr 10 min.
I think I'd like to take another stab at the original question.
They recommend a WS because a well played and well built WS far surpasses a similar PB in terms of power against a large scale of enemies.
They forget to mention that a poorly played PB far surpasses a similar WS in terms of everything.
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I didn't go for tri due to my laziness. I'm bad when it comes to crafting IO's and I didn't want to stretch out my slots.