Drop rates for new stuff really high
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Posted on: 2010-05-01 24:52 in The Market and Inventions
I've been getting plenty of commons. There's no reason to expect anything about common drop rates to be different. Again, these things are different drop pools.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Ive been getting a lot of them as well. I mail off the ones I think will sell when the market comes up, craft one of each to appease one of my many many CoX addictions (temp power? must keep it FOREVER and NEVER use it! Vial of BEEEEEEEEEES), and vendor the rest.
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Originally Posted by Sneaky Speedie
Where do I get Dropstats? I've never heard of it actually.
Edit: I think I found it. |
http://www.glasspaw.com/dropstats/
I hope this guy is able to start publishing some of his findings soon.
Also: I have a question about something he brought up on his site:
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If you use DropStats when you're part of a team then the drop rate calculations are invalid. (All the other figures are correct though.) For example, if you're part of a duo and you land the killing blow on most of the mobs, then drop stats will think that you received about 1/2 the drops you should have received. |
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I believe you're interpreting this backwards. If you are in a duo with an AFK force fielder who has you on follow, for instance, you will be committing 100% of the killing blows. Dropstats will see the "you have killed" and the "you have drops" messages, and do the division. Because your friend the forcebot is getting half the drops, though, dropstats will think you are getting half what you "should" have gotten.
| Does that mean the person who lands the killing blow is more likely to get a drop? I have always suspected this, but I've never been able to confirm it. It makes me want to focus my playstyle more toward blasters and scrappers.... rather than defenders..... |
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Off hand, for every 3-4 IO recipes I drop, I get a temporary power recipe. So something like 3:1 for me, I guess, I've ran out of room for recipes on most of my toons, so most of the time I just delete temps that I already have.
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I can echo that I am getting the temp powers along with Pool A drops. They are either in Pool E (with the costume recipes) or in their own pool.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Temp powers are, indeed, their own drop pool. As you observed, this is what allows you to get a temp power and an enhancement recipe from a single defeat - something I have seen and even have a screenshot of happening to me solo.
They are not part of pool A. Both in beta and live I have gotten pool A and temp power drops from the same mob. My theory on this new glut of temp recipes is that it may be intentional. Here's why I think that may be the case.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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All I've noticed is that it's filling my recipes up quicker. I ran only 2 trips on my Unai/Freaks map. I got 4 Pool C drops, 2 Purps, 2 Yellows, a ton of vendor trash (VT). I would have done more more except that I didn't have ww's to operate normally. I've had more 'quality' recipes drop of late.
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Originally Posted by Sneaky Speedie
The new Temp Powers have messed up other IO drops. I've spent about an hour farming the wall, and nearly every drop was the temp power or a regular invention recipie. It needs to be looked into. In the hour I farmed I only gotten two yellow IO drops. Something is deffinently wrong.
In two/three hours or less I usually get a purple/high value IO, but now it's just one oranges and four yellows, and so many standard IO's/temp powers I'm just deleting them. Though I am keeping the useful temp powers. |
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Okay, I have a Dropstats log. And its a little weird. As it says that no "Rare" recipes dropped. I did get only one Rare recipe, and it was for the new temp powers. Apparently purples (Very Rare) are more common than oranges (Rare). The reason why I have no salvage is because my salvage is full.
Hope that helps a little.
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PS: What I might do it farm again. As I did duo with a lower level friend for about 20 minutes in two mayhem missions for badges. Though the only drops I recived were I think four or five standard IO's so I am not sure if it would have affected it to much. I only killed about 80 or so mobs.
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Archie Gremlin's Drop Stats v0.5.2
http://www.glasspaw.com/dropstats/
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Analysing C:/Program Files/City of Heroes/logs/game/chatlog 05-01-2010.txt
Analysing C:/Program Files/City of Heroes/logs/game/chatlog 05-02-2010.txt
Defeats Minion Lieut. Boss Under. Pet Grey Unknown
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2,381 1,623 570 0 23 2 106 57
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57 rewarding mobs of unknown rank
Ascendant Cleaver (1)
Car (1)
Dr. Blutghast (1)
Manticore Automaton (2)
Parking Meter (1)
Scorpion Gray 9-2-9 (1)
Technician Huskers (1)
The Freak (8)
The Radio (1)
Trash Can (1)
boss (5)
PPD Detective (31) failed heuristic rank check
PPD Sergeant (3) failed heuristic rank check
Drops Total Common Uncommon Rare Very Rare
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Pool A 75 61 11 0 3
Salvage 0 0 0 0
Inspirations 428 284 137 7
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Other Drops
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Inf. Rewards 2,561 (10,188,560 inf, 0 xp, 528,000 debt)
Prestige 71,034
Reward Merits 9
Vanguard Merits 5
AE Tickets 560 (260 for defeats, 175 for missions)
Claimed Tickets 125 claimed from story arc ratings
Enhancements 8 single origin enhancements
Other 28
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Pool Drop Rate Range Drops Expected Mobs
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Pool A 2.64% 2.08%-3.31% 73 58-91 2,763 min. equiv.
minion 2.53% 1.82%-3.41% 41 32-58 1,623 minions
lieutenant 5.61% 3.87%-7.83% 32 21-42 570 LTs & snprs
Salvage 0.00% - 0 166-218 2,381 min. equiv.
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(Table excludes mobs of unknown rank and their drops.)
(1 in 20 runs will be outside the expected range.)
75 Pool A recipes (Mob Defeats)
3 very rare recipes
Apocalypse : Dam (Superior) (Recipe)
Armageddon : Dam (Superior) (Recipe)
Soulbound Allegiance : Chance for Build Up (Recipe)
11 uncommon recipes
Efficacy Adaptor : Rech/Acc (Recipe)
Efficacy Adaptor : Rech/Acc (Recipe)
Extreme Measures: Dam/End (Recipe)
Jaunt: Endurance (Recipe)
Lethargic Repose: Acc/Sleep/Rech (Recipe)
Lethargic Repose: Acc/Sleep/Rech (Recipe)
Lethargic Repose: End/Sleep (Recipe)
Nightmare: Fear/Range (Recipe)
Perfect Zinger: Taunt (Recipe)
Soaring: Fly/Endurance (Recipe)
Undermined Defenses : Defense Debuff (Recipe)
61 common recipes
28 other drops
1 units of Chronal Skip
1 units of Destiny
1 units of Pneumatic Piston
2 units of Reward Merit
Illumination Grenade
Med Pack
Raptor Pack
Recovery Serum
Temporary Power: Gabriel's Hammer
Temporary Power: Gabriel's Hammer
Temporary Power: Gabriel's Hammer
Temporary Power: Hand Grenades
Temporary Power: Hand Grenades
Temporary Power: Hand Grenades
Temporary Power: Hand Grenades
Temporary Power: Hand Grenades
Temporary Power: Hand Grenades
Temporary Power: Med Pack
Temporary Power: Plasmatic Taser
Temporary Power: Plasmatic Taser
Temporary Power: Recovery Serum
Temporary Power: Recovery Serum
Temporary Power: Revolver
Temporary Power: Stun Grenades
The Fool
The Lovers
Wheel of Fortune
Zero-G Pack
I looked down and I noticed I had 14 of these friggin' things after not so many missions. Of course I have the salvage to make exactly zero of them. It's to the point where I simply delete revolvers as soon as I see them.
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You've got to understand that your drop sample there is way tiny compared to what's needed to actually begin to see pattern. We've got a long-running where we're talking many thousands of drops measured across multiple players over the course of months, and that's barely enough to see the trend in purples.
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Originally Posted by Sneaky Speedie
Okay, I have a Dropstats log. And its a little weird. As it says that no "Rare" recipes dropped. I did get only one Rare recipe, and it was for the new temp powers. Apparently purples (Very Rare) are more common than oranges (Rare). The reason why I have no salvage is because my salvage is full.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
DropStats doesn't have the new Temporary Powers in it, yet. It should be pretty easy for people to add them to a dl'ed copy, though, as all the recipe names are in text files.
Once we're sure of the pool they drop in, I'll see if I can get Archie to update the files, or show me where they are and I'll update them. (He's started a new job with a bad commute, so he's been a bit flaked out in the evenings ATM.)
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I've also been surprised by how commonly these have dropped.
I got a Kinetic Dampener on the first day after placing a bid for one. Ive since got around 5 temps on every character Ive played over the weekend.
I'd Kinetic Dampener to the generally useful list. +16%(?) Def vs Smash and Lethal and +30% Res to Energy has got to be nice for a number of characters and situations.
Any Brute or Tank with existing S/L def like Energy Aura, Stone or Ice can now vastly power up for boss fights. The Energy Res would also be handy for say a Invulnerability or Dark Tank on a ship raid.
I realize that random number generators are random, but has anyone else noticed that yellow and orange recipe rates seem to be lower? I'm mostly playing villains right now, and I'll go 8-10 missions before I get a yellow drop, from levels 10 to 50.
Just my anecdotal two cents...
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I have experienced the same thing... running some story archs the team was commenting on who was getting what. It think as a team we got all the new temps to drop
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