Arbitrage in GR
Last I looked, every alignment had access to SOME market. (this was very early stuff.) So you could go back and forth between the "last blue market" and "first red market" without having to do a full-on alignment switch. Unless you mean two weeks to do a full A-B-A cycle.
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It's a fair point - you should be able to access the market immediately before a switch.
I don't understand why people keep saying this. You only need to predict the market ONE MISSION in advance. However long the final mission that lets you finish the process in switching sides, that's how long in advance you need to predict the market. Actually not even that long since you get do 99.99999% of the mission, exit out, load up, go back in and finish, then bang you're on the other side.
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I still don't see a point. I can make one such cross market profit per character per two weeks. 30 minutes is probably a nice conservative estimate for completing the arc. 15 minutes is probably wildly optimistic, but let's call it 15 minutes per character. Even though I incur that per-character playtime only once per week, I consider that pure overhead. Why would I do that? It's easy to make money on both sides, right now, just by staying there. What should compel us to arbitrage is that it offers a profit-making advantage over just staying on one side or the other. But we can currently arbitrage once per character per two weeks, and we can't roll our profits from sale on side A to purchases on side B because our inf can't come with us.
What's attractive about that at all? Everything I can see about that suggests that it's likely inferior wealth rate than same-side profiteering we can do now.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Yeah, I did mean two weeks for a full alignment shift. It'd be
Last I looked, every alignment had access to SOME market. (this was very early stuff.) So you could go back and forth between the "last blue market" and "first red market" without having to do a full-on alignment switch. Unless you mean two weeks to do a full A-B-A cycle.
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So, for example:
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Hero -> Vigilante (Buy WW) -> Villain (Sell BM) -> Rogue (Buy BM) -> Hero (Sell WW) -> repeat 1W 1W 1W 1W
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I have no idea yet. But what I think is that there will be a massive redside exodous. Enormous. this will create shortages in the market, mostly supply shortages since inf doesn't cross with you and we can email inf so it doens't have to be tied to the character who is leaving the Islands for Paragon. Someone with supply from blueside can then come across and clean up. Then use a service like Smurphy's or Fulmens or Dumple to convert to blue wealth.
What's attractive about that at all? Everything I can see about that suggests that it's likely inferior wealth rate than same-side profiteering we can do now.
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Pure speculation at this point.
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My speculation matches yours. So here's my question given those assumptions - if there's an exodus and then supply crash, what's the utility in gaining market wealth red-side? If you're one of the supply sources, and other people are giving you money because you give them stuff... what are you going to do with the money you make? Seems to me it'd be an awful lot more efficient in that scenario to just equip yourself and not worry about inf.
I have no idea yet. But what I think is that there will be a massive redside exodous. Enormous. this will create shortages in the market, mostly supply shortages since inf doesn't cross with you and we can email inf so it doens't have to be tied to the character who is leaving the Islands for Paragon. Someone with supply from blueside can then come across and clean up. Then use a service like Smurphy's or Fulmens or Dumple to convert to blue wealth.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Why go through the switch when you can just email it to yourself and pick it up an w/e toon?
Yeah, I think that puts the last nail in that coffin. I'm sure there will be people who do it out of concept, or because they haven't (yet) figured out how to earn money faster, but at that duration I can't imagine anything you could cart from side to side that would be worth selling for either practiced marketeers, people who play at 50 a lot, or people who earn merits quickly*.
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Because you can't use the email system across sides.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Not sure I get you.
Why go through the switch when you can just email it to yourself and pick it up an w/e toon?
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Heroes, unless I misread, cannot email to villains and vice versa.
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Two paths to the same end.
My speculation matches yours. So here's my question given those assumptions - if there's an exodus and then supply crash, what's the utility in gaining market wealth red-side? If you're one of the supply sources, and other people are giving you money because you give them stuff... what are you going to do with the money you make? Seems to me it'd be an awful lot more efficient in that scenario to just equip yourself and not worry about inf.
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All Inf is good for is making more inf or equipping toons or giving to other people in return for services or prestige. That's the full list (assuming costumes are equipment).
If I can bring one character's inventory over, that's not even enough to finish a single build. 10 IOs and 30 recipes out of how many needed? On the other hand, I might earn enough Inf to finish two or three.
Assuming supply is there at all to make the Inf spendable. Heh.
So I'm assuming it will end up being a little of each. Bring across the stuff that can't be bought, sell some to make gobs of Inf to afford the stuff that can.
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I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
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Yessir.
My speculation matches yours. So here's my question given those assumptions - if there's an exodus and then supply crash, what's the utility in gaining market wealth red-side? If you're one of the supply sources, and other people are giving you money because you give them stuff... what are you going to do with the money you make? Seems to me it'd be an awful lot more efficient in that scenario to just equip yourself and not worry about inf.
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A billionaire and a pauper in the middle of a desert dehydrate at the same rate.
No point selling water you need for yourself.
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Reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode when crooks go into suspended animation and one guy keeps selling his water to the other guy for the gold in the desert.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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You did not misread. The devs were very plain about it.
Heroes, unless I misread, cannot email to villains and vice versa.
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You can email to your global name and pick it up from ANY character, *BUT* they must be from the same side as the sender.
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Like I said, I imagine people will do a bit of both. Bring over what they need, and some extra to sell at the same time.
Yessir.
A billionaire and a pauper in the middle of a desert dehydrate at the same rate. No point selling water you need for yourself. |
the fact is that at any point, no matter how bad the market gets there will be somethings selling, and there will always be at least one item you want that isn't available. Bringing what you need but can't buy, and some extras to sell for the cash to afford what you need and CAN buy, seems logical.
I'll probably not do it myself, but I suspect it will happen.
"Hmm, I guess I'm not as omniscient as I thought" -Gavin Runeblade.
I can be found, outside of paragon city here.
Thank you everyone at Paragon and on Virtue. When the lights go out in November, you'll find me on Razor Bunny.
I have a feeling you're joking, but I find this amusing.
I do cross-fraction arbitrage on WoW as my primary income in that game, and while it's not a simple or risk-free process there, it's certainly a lot less than a 2 week turnaround.
I've found that the net effect of arbitrage is actually to lower high prices, as it smooths out the sudden demand spikes or supply shortages. Generally I end up buying at a little bit less than market average for one side, and selling at a little bit more than the long-term average on the other, but still much, much lower than the currently listed "buy it nao" prices. Flippers must hate me . With enough volume, after a while they meet back close to the middle and I move on to something else that's unbalanced...
...and make a tidy profit in the process. Hey, everybody's gotta make a living somehow.
I do cross-fraction arbitrage on WoW as my primary income in that game, and while it's not a simple or risk-free process there, it's certainly a lot less than a 2 week turnaround.
I've found that the net effect of arbitrage is actually to lower high prices, as it smooths out the sudden demand spikes or supply shortages. Generally I end up buying at a little bit less than market average for one side, and selling at a little bit more than the long-term average on the other, but still much, much lower than the currently listed "buy it nao" prices. Flippers must hate me . With enough volume, after a while they meet back close to the middle and I move on to something else that's unbalanced...
...and make a tidy profit in the process. Hey, everybody's gotta make a living somehow.
awesome, cant wait to get all my Redsiders away from that DEV awful BM.
Of course the Devs are gonna Fix the markets....the same way they fixed pvp which is the same way people fix cats and dogs.