Evil Scientist in BB should tell you that you can't refill Shivans.
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Clebstein,
Posted on: 2010-04-03 15:44 in Suggestions and Ideas
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If there was no scientific way for you to know that you can't refill a temp power how did you know to make the suggestion?|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
There is no way for me to scientifically KNOW I couldn't refill with a use remaining unless I reverse-engineered the source code, which is illegal. You lose.
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Obviously you went back to the contact while the temp power still had charges left and tried to get more shivans. When you failed to get the power refilled you learned you couldn't refill the power.
That's scientific evidence or empirical research. As long as you have charges left in the temp power you won't be able to refill it or get another one. You can run that experiment as often as you like and you will get the same result.
Now that being said I have no objection to some rewriting of what the contact says to let players know all charges have to be used before they can get the power again.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... UM...You have gone in from villainside and looked at the contact, yes? The.. *cough* Evil Scientist?
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Thank you. Thank you.
I hate when I forget to use my last shivan and do the refill that fails.
Probably a warning that we already have the power that will be awarded would be better or easier or perhaps something that resets it to the max counter.
As a comparison, the stealth and invisibility powers from patrolling BB and Sirens. You could have 1 second left on them and re-run the patrol and the powers will not be awarded. It really would be nice to not run into that simply because you forgot or you didn't know because it was your first time.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I'm aware of that, and I know the kinds of topics TCS has made before, and that doesn't make it any better. If anything that makes it worse, that people would be against this idea just because the person making it has a bad posting history.|
Originally Posted by je_saist
Cleb: if you didn't know, you can track the posts each person makes by clicking on their name, clicking view profile clicking on Statistics, and then clicking on Find All Posts By *Name*
Most of the ugly responses here to TCS are because of his, well, posting history. I stand by my statements earlier in the thread: The developers are aware that not all information is correctly transmitted to the players in the confines of the game's text entrys, nor is such information communicated through the in-game help. The developers have also stated, pretty explicitly, that Going Rogue's tutorial system will be addressing many of the existing shortfalls. Now, I invite you to read the first post again. TCS doesn't come in and ask a question. |
And why would he ask a question about it, when he clearly already figured out that you can't refill Shivans when you have charges left? He learned the hard way and his suggestion is to make it easier for other people NOT to learn the hard way. But people can't look past his prior posts and feel the need to just be rude and insulting.
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Why should only villains be told? Are you suggesting that heroes are smart enough to figure it out on their own, but villains aren't?
| Evil Scientist in BB should tell you that you can't refill Shivans. |
@Roderick
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Paragonwiki.com is in one of the zone loading hints |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
And to ask, you have to ask the right person. While, yes, TCS has access here, not everybody does come here, nor does everyone know about Paragon Wiki.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Maybe the developers would accept the suggestion to move a link to ParagonWiki, and a link to the Forums, into the Loader? Of course, this doesn't exactly help with players who don't read what's on the loader anyways. I say this as I just realized Boards on the loader links here.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Paragonwiki.com is in one of the zone loading hints
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When you accept the mission you get the following text.|
Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
There is no way for me to scientifically KNOW I couldn't refill with a use remaining unless I reverse-engineered the source code, which is illegal. You lose.
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Very good. Take this Ore Extractor and use it on all six meteors, then process the six ore chunks into a sample at one of the firebases scattered around the island. Defeat the turrets and reprogram the firebase. Only then can you process the ore. Bring me a sample and I'll make sure Lord Recluse knows you did your part.
There is no way for you to scientifically KNOW you would be able to refill or even get any kind of reward from the given text. So how did you think you would be able to get a shivan the 2nd time or even the first for that matter? You lose.
Edit to add.... just in case you were wondering the finish mish text is: Good work, Deathagizer Bunny. I'll make sure you get mentioned in our report about this. If you really want to impress the big bosses, we could use more samples. A lot of our guys aren't coming back thanks to all the capes. Still nothing that says you will get any kind of reward for doing it more than once.
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I am with you on this. While I do not agree with some thing TCS says or suggests. I think this is quite reasonable suggestion to put in.|
Originally Posted by Clebstein
I'm aware of that, and I know the kinds of topics TCS has made before, and that doesn't make it any better. If anything that makes it worse, that people would be against this idea just because the person making it has a bad posting history.
And why would he ask a question about it, when he clearly already figured out that you can't refill Shivans when you have charges left? He learned the hard way and his suggestion is to make it easier for other people NOT to learn the hard way. But people can't look past his prior posts and feel the need to just be rude and insulting. |
Shivans are used an extreme amount. So if you think "oh I need shivans" making a simple forgetful mistake you have some, you could get it refilled aside from nothing happened. Also Swell had a good idea with his also.
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Actually, I found the thread title a bit ironic. |
Originally Posted by macskull
Isn't this just a tad bit ironic?
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Hello!
Evil Scientist!
Besides, posting history or not (and as I'd said elsewhere, I'm not exactly a *fan* of the OP,) both Sharker and yourself jumped down his throat *immediately.* Without regard to the initial post (aside from Sharker's "And you couldn't figure this out from all the other temp powers..." comment, most of which *are not refillable.*)
He did say flat out he had not run across that before. Nothing in his prior experience, according to him, would tell him the power doesn't refill. There was nothing in the original post that deserved having his case "climbed on."
Sorry, je_saist, but you and Sharker are very much in the wrong here with your reactions. Don't like the OP personally (or because of his post history?) Fine - but the reaction that the OP has gotten from you two is way out of line. The suggestion is reasonable and comparitively easy to implement (saying that from Joe Moressey's comment about AE being a subset of the tools they made for themselves - adding two lines of text would likely not be a horrible, labor intensive prospect.)